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Yup that sounds right
Next comes the blue wave reaction in midterms. Trump's policies continue to fail, but MAGA persists. Liberals get suckered into thinking electoral politics will save them.
Then the '28 election gets "stolen" (thanks to their utter failure to govern responsibly), Trump refuses to leave, and things break down from there. He'll probably get talked into actually letting states secede if they try, they've just gotta be the last guy to talk to him before he goes in front of the media (I won't say press anymore because his pool is not journalists). Boom, policy.
Of course, secession would be incredibly stupid of any governor to try. But those are the people he's putting in power while he threatens the rest with the Feds.
Dark times coming people
Dark times are already here.
I mean, yes, but not widespread starvation and disease amidst civil war. This is still the early stage of collapse. The overture setting the themes for the rest of the show.
True, true...
A lot depends on how far the Supreme Court lets the Trump administration go with blatant law breaking. The veneer of system unity across multiple branches of government would give them a much better chance of avoiding '28 elections entirely, but if they are faced with the choice of following at least some critical laws or abandoning the veneer of lawfulness, it really increases the chances of a "divided they fall" scenario.
It also depends on whether MAGA coalesces around a successor. Factions with different visions of government have agreed to work together with Trump as a figurehead. If they don't path to Trump term three, the successor selection is another opportunity for internal infighting to break their grip on power.
Scary times, and horrible unnecessary suffering for huge numbers of people on the way, but I still see hope to come out of it without the country disbanding.
I don't think the Supreme Court has any power to stop this train. They've arrested a judge and a mayor now and they've threatened the Justices. Like, this is BIG DICTATOR SHIT.
The Federal Government is gonna keep suffering the termite infestation till the whole thing effectively crumbles. Then the Christian Nationalists get what they really want - Confederacy 2, and the Technocrats start their project in earnest on the West Coast.
The Feds will conveniently ignore Southern seccessionists.
It's a good point about the successor, I've seen these people get swept up by any demagogue who trots by. My money is they push states rights eventually and say fuck the liberals entirely, they'll build their little ethnostate. Somewhere.
If California were somehow allowed to secede peacefully, I think their economy is strong enough that they could survive independently. Pretty much any other state though, I don’t see how it could work.
California could. New York could until the city is completely underwater, but it wouldn't have to, New England will band together more or less. They'll do okay, Canada will probably offer to protect them, if they dont join completely. Like I said, I see the Bible Belt turning into Confederacy 2. A Mormon state might erupt around Utah. Hilariously, I'd expect most of the border states to join Mexico, after a good quarrel.
Flyover states... idk but I wish you luck
China and Russia eat popcorn.
States declaring independence is actually a good idea. They can have their own immigration and tariff policy
An independent American fascist state with half of the American nuclear arsenal and an open endorsement of white supremacy and Christofascist crusade rhetoric is not a good idea.
It might end up being the best option, and that is fucking terrifying.
It would be the less productive have, they would collapse instantly without blue State money. Go and take the nukes and Institute extreme denazification
Do you want a Bible Belt with its own army? I don't, and I live here.
They already have that, And we're forced to fund it. The supermajority of taxes come from liberal areas
Yeah but what you dont have is a militarized border with Kentucky.
Right now, those asshats are all over the world. You want em in your backyard causing trouble? Cause again, I don't.
They already are causing trouble. KY is also dependent on blur state taxes so they'd be too busy subsistence farming to bother us
Buddy I'm just saying nobody should want war on their doorstep and that's how we'd get it.