Europe
Europe community on dbzer0. Intended to be a place to discuss European news, politics, or just general topics from a European perspective. Since this is on dbzer0 expect the community to lean more leftist-anarchist but a wide range of views are accepted here (within reason).
Rules:
1. No Bigotry or Hate Speech
Any forms of Homophobia, Transphobia, Queerphobia, Racism, or Ableism will be met with swift and harsh action and will not be tolerated here whatsoever. Bigots will be banned immediately on-sight. This includes apologia of it.
Trying to be politely or intellectually bigoted i.e. "Just asking questions" won't be tolerated.
2. No Zionism
Any forms of Zionism or Zionist rhetoric will not be tolerated here, this includes Zionist apologia, accusations of antisemitism towards anti-Zionists, or blatant denial or downplaying of the genocide towards Palestinians. Any attempt to uphold or prop up the IHRA definition of antisemitism, will be treated as Zionism.
Anyone engaging in Pro-Zionist sentiment or apologia will be actioned in accordance with its severity.
Note: Trying to find loopholes or whataboutery to see what is or isn't genocide denial or Zionism will be treated as a violation of this rule. Don't test us.
3. Stay Civil
Please maintain civil discourse in the community. Do not engage in arguments with others, name-calling, or insults. Note that calling out bigotry or Zionism is not considered an insult. In heated arguments users are encouraged to or even required to disengage failure to do so will result in mod action.
4. No Misinformation
Spreading of misinformation intentionally in this community is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. Spreading misinformation hurts the credibility of the community and can mislead people sometimes in dangerous ways. Users who intentionally post misinformation as articles, comment answers, or in attempt to win arguments will be actioned swiftly.
Note: This includes Russian and Chinese propaganda. Users with a history of such posting will be banned on sight.
5. No AI Content
Please do not post articles or content primarily created using generative AI. Generative AI content may contain misinformation or be lower quality and thus is discouraged. Posts and comments featuring it will be removed. However this community does not allow or tolerate Anti-AI trolling or hostility and users who engage in such behavior will be actioned for it, additionally Anti-AI trolling violates Rule 3 and often Rule 4 so it is generally unacceptable already.
Note: Rules 1 & 2 may be subject to preemptive mod action due to their severity, and they apply to a user's entire post history. Not just this community.
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How were they involved? Where is there any evidence of that?
What you are doing is denying Ukrainians agency in determining their own future. They have the capacity to rise up against a government that lied to them, and broke their promises, all on their own. Why would you assume they are simply mindless puppets on someone else's string?
This is why I keep saying, your argument is fundamentally flawed. You are ignoring facts in favor of wild speculation. And you are completely ignoring the perspective of the actual people involved in all these events. You blame the US for things that Ukrainians feel very strongly about, while ignoring the entire history of their country that has led to them having these very strong feelings. It is willful ignorance.
You are simply pretending that this fantasy version of reality is true...but the very real and less interesting version, is not. This is how propaganda works. You have bought a narrative where Russia is "saving Ukraine", by literally blowing up buildings full of Ukrainians. Like, what the actual fuck are you thinking? How does that make any rational sense to you?
All because "America bad"? That's not a good enough answer. It's fiction.
You did a lot of honest work here. Thank you for your service!
I am intrigued how the up/down vote ratio though. Tankie brigade in the room?