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The point is that the correct response to an accusation of the usage of human shields is not pedantry. When there's multiple documented cases of this happening, the correct response is not singling out specific examples that in spirit is still the usage of human shields but following some specific definition technically might not count. This serves no purpose other than to derail the conversation into pendantry.
You also made a logic error: according to you, the IDF wouldn't use human shields because Hamas already does. And you reason that this must mean Hamas does not care if civilians die. But the entire point of human shields is that it makes it impossible to do certain military operations because it would kill civilians. The end result with this strategy isn't dead civilians, it hinges on the civilians staying alive (and thus your military is too). Hamas doesn't employ this strategy to get civilians killed, they do it to protect their operations. That exact same motivation could work for the IDF too.
The crimes that the IDF are accused of also in no way compare to what's been happening in Ukraine. By making these comparisons you seem to be trying to minimize what the IDF is doing, which in effect defends the IDF.
If that's not your intention, then stop and reflect carefully on what your comments actually contribute to the conversation. What you name the crime isn't what's important here, it's the crime itself.
I'm doubting that the IDF would use human shields because I don’t think Hamas would refrain from engaging them just to protect their own civilians. However, people have provided examples of the IDF actually doing this, and I haven’t argued against that. I don’t fully understand the logic behind it, but I accept that it’s happening and I obviously condemn it.
My doubt stems from the fact that it’s well documented that Hamas has, on multiple occasions, launched rockets from areas near hospitals, schools, mosques, and refugee camps - knowing that this can deter the IDF from striking those locations, at least to some extent. But the willingness to put their own civilian population at risk like that makes me seriously question how much they actually care. They’re also on record saying things like “we love death more than the infidels love life,” and in their worldview, being martyred isn’t a bad outcome - quite the opposite.
So my issue is essentially this: the same people who seem completely unwilling to criticize Hamas for their use of human shields have no problem going after the IDF for it. In this case, even if the criticism is valid, I still see that as quite hypocritical.
Also, I fully acknowledge being a provocateur - and the fierce pushback against what I sounded like I was saying was fully expected on my part.
The only documentation of human shields is israel using it. Only israel and it supporters say that hamas use them. Hell there are two videos of the idf using human shields on youtube
I don't understand why you'd doubt this in the comment section of a post that quite literally has proof they're doing it.
Can you show anyone who is unwilling to criticize Hamas for the usage of human shields? Everybody knows what Hamas does, they're a terrorist organisation after all. The question is why the IDF, which is supposedly "the most moral army in the world" is doing it too. Even so, it's deflection through whataboutism.
Have to say it's always amazing how quickly those saying they aren't defending atrocities will pivot to defending them.
Especially considering they don't even care about IDF killing civilians
Because they are engaging in a shill op.
So they have to pretend to care about Gaza residents now, public opinion too strong in victims favour.
So they pretend to be allies and then engage in dilatory tactics to under mine consensus formation on the issue.
You see this on reddit flashed out better if you can catch an active thread before it gets sanitized or removed.
The idea is to sow some doubt around the topic... It is not that bad, some of it deserved etc
This means that's progress is being made on public opinion front but people are dying today and public opinion is moving too slow
To be accurate hamas is designed as a terrorist from by only 40 of i believe 197 countries. Hamas definitely did many terrorist acts but israel did a lot more since it's creation
That thread was literally the first time I’d ever heard of them doing it. My comment there however was intended to question the legitimacy of using that term in that specific context - where they were reportedly sending civilians to clear buildings before entering themselves - not as some broad denial that it’s ever happened. I didn’t argue against anyone who gave me actual examples of them doing it.
And even if I were skeptical about the IDF using human shields, it would still be a logical error to jump to the conclusion that I’m denying a genocide. I’ve seen the photos of Gaza nearly flattened by Israel’s bombing - those are pretty hard to argue against.
I can’t point to anyone specific who outright refuses to acknowledge Hamas doing the same, but I’ve interacted with plenty of people who straight-up refuse to admit it and instead derail the entire conversation by accusing me of holding views I don’t actually hold.
Israel is doing a genocide but have you thought about Hamas? 🤡
Also, you are literally admitting in acting in bad faith here, which is dilatory to the discussion of the Israeli's genocide and war crimes.