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It's okay. Europe and China will replace the US and the world will be better off.
Hahaha y'all been saying that for a decade already don't you get bored?
China is dying too silly. Their housing bubble is a nightmare, their currency is not desirable and all their factory jobs are going overseas.
Shit on China all you want. I know I do. The truth is though the CCP's already sending tons of rovers to the moon to find prime real estate and are heavily investing in reusable rockets like SpaceX. The US is gonna be humiliated when the next humans to return to the moon are Chinese nationals. Can we beat them before that happens? Yes, but we're making all the wrong moves both through government policy and many private space endeavors. Musk's already said he's more interested in Mars for example. The Artemis project keeps suffering severe setbacks due to it being driven by politicians and not NASA.
Wow just think how much more they could accomplish if they could chose their own leaders and say things they wanted to say without being thrown in jail and tortured or killed and their capital was in Taipei and they weren't held back by a ruthless dictator who was only supposed to be a dictator for 10 years but decided he wanted to remain dictator for life.
Agreed. I don't like the CCP any more than you do but the truth is if you have long term leadership you can get some projects that would otherwise have been de-railed by opposition parties when power's transferred to them.
Nobody will be humiliated. If China gets to the moon first, great. Science is science and the long term experiments that are really worth it take too long for the originators to learn what happened or the winners to outshine anyone. For fuch sakes we are that pale blue dot...even if China gets to one side of the dot, we're still a single tiny ass dot.
I propose that we feed the billionaires to the zoo animals so we can continue to live a decent life.
The Gaza concentration camp nation and the Battle field of Ukraine have to stop. First item is to put put-in a box 6 feet under and fill it with acid so it doesn't come back. Next take all the Israel commanders and give them jail time and executions as necessary. I can't speak for other players in the game but you who don't live here might wanna state it so I can up vote it.
"There is a single light of science, and to brighten it anywhere is to brighten it everywhere" -Asimov
I disagree. Completely.
Large scale mining on another celestial body is similar to AI. It's not actually gonna happen in our lifetime we're not as close as we wanna believe.
We are those people in the 1800s who think everyone would have jet cars and shit by the year 2000. Nobody is that close. Likely they'll blow each other up and start fighting in space before anyone gets to mine.
We could do space mining today if their was any incentive to do it. There just isn't any reason to currently but if we start using fusion power (which China has made strides in recently) it would make a ton of sense to get He-3 on the moon.
Hell I give it 20 years before a private company at the very least tries to move one of the really rare earth element rich asteoids into an orbit around earth. From the calculations I've seen we could technically do it with current rocket tech assuming proper planet alignment.
No we cannot you vastly over estimate the cost of bringing things in and out of orbit. Especially at the load it would need to be a financial incentive to create the infrastructure to do so regularly.
I'd bet my balls we won't mine shit in space for the rest of the 21st century
Gee, that sounds familiar.
And their population is aging
exactly so does the US seem on a good trend? no. they're tied together by the balls my friend
You're saying that as if the US economy hasn't been a fucking bubble bath ever since the stock market got created. Bubbles don't matter apparently, which is stupid but this is the world we live in.
That's the point, they don't want to make their wages incompetitively high by inflating their cost of living and thus nominal wages to the moon like the US.
That... is the goal? Factory jobs are low-added-value, you need educated people doing high wage jobs to become a developed country.
I'm not stanning China, there are plenty of shit things aobut the country, but looking from here in Europe, it looks like they are a better partner than the US. Both of them do genocide, have a shitty human rights record, have neocolonial tendencies, shitty worker's rights, no proper democracy, etc.
But China is at least stable as a trading partner.
"BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME"
I wish I had a dime every time I see ridiculous false equivalent nonsense on the internet.
Lol no it isn't. Do you only remember the last six months? China has been unreliable for years. The quality of their products are always questionable, lead in cinnamon, plastic fake rice, sketchy backdoor access into anything that comes out of that country. Sure.
On top of that, China is speed running the US downfall. It took decades for factory jobs to leave US, it's taking a single decade for them to come and go out of China.
Not that stable. Source: am Canadian. See Meng Wanzhou and the Michaels, and the police stations.
China: Don't meddle in our internal affairs.
Also China: We are going to meddle in your internal affairs.
The Chinese use trade as a weapon more than anyone but the US right now.
I think we agree on this.
Again, I'm not saying we should trust China, or that they are a positive force in the world, or even that we should indeed trade with them. We need to put our foot down about things like that.
All I'm saying is that the US somehow got worse than them. And by "stable", I don't mean "trustworthy" or anything, it's just that the US seems to be making a sport out of going back on deals, at least we can trust the CCP to look out for its own interests and not go back on the occasional win-win deal.
Again, I'm not saying that we should make more deals with China, but that the US is no better at this point, and we should figure out how to oust both their influences.
it's not stable though I dunno how people can't see this lol.
The US and China are in the same balance beam and at times or through different perspectives it might look like one is rising above the other but you ever seen what happens when one partner on seesaw jumps off? the other guy doesn't go up that's for sure
How is that different from the US. Do I need to bring up the numerous international treaties the US said nah fuck that' and everyone else was like ' OK I guess'.
No different. I trust the US and China the same. They are both bad faith actors.
Because the US has done it for what 6 months? China has done this forever.
Yeah but they didn't have a Trump as a trump card
Hahaha y’all been saying that for a decade already don’t you get bored?
see how ridiculous it sounds? silly fake commies
What I've seen is an endless parade of liberals screaming China is "on the verge of collapse!!!1" for over a decade and I've seen the reality of China only becoming better over the same time period. There's no basis for your claim, it's just part of that same endless parade of anti-China propaganda we've all seen before.
And what I've seen is China become more powerful and life in China get better over that same time, while all those liberals kept screaming that China was going to collapse. I was a typical anti-China Western Marxist before COVID. The pandemic revealed that China is actually still a socialist project and that politics are in command when they shut down the economy instead of marching workers to the deaths, saving countless lives and advancing Chinese life expectancies above the US. That changed everything for me.
And over that same period I've seen the US get worse. In fact, it's basically gotten worse over the entire time liberals were screaming that China was on the verge of collapse. This is an empire in decline and everyone can see it, so even if you're anti-China I hope you can recognize the US is on its way out.
And soon enough, something else is going to happen that will give you the same experience. China isn't going to collapse, it's just going to continue peacefully developing and surpassing the US in more-and-more ways.
I don’t even need to win this argument, history will do it for me.
You keep saying liberals but I don't think you know what that word means. Are you speaking of the neoliberal western government or the liberals of America or liberals in Europe? Because they're immensely different groups. I can only speak of "liberals" in America and I promise you, you're entirely wrong. Liberals for years shook their head at all the things China was doing to take US business, never once was the liberal apparatus or voting bloc in america really ever antagonistic to China. Neoliberals like Biden were, kinda. But in the US conservatives have always beefed with China because they use the "they're taking our jobs" stick every four years and I mean do you think Trump is a liberal? Cause he's been the most aggressive to China than any US president in recent times
So I don't know what the hell you're talking about there. It comes off clueless and ill informed kind of like the rest of what you say.
Literally not what happened. They lied, arrested scientists trying to talk about COVID and denied it came from China ever while also being difficult to work with in informing the rest of the world what was going down and that by definition is absolutely tyrannical which is the opposite of socialist. China also marches workers to death pandemic or not, go look at the work culture in China it is abysmal.
US never changed their dirty laundry is just more visible. Maybe it seems like it got worse but queers hardly ever had rights, abortion was always a fight, worker rights are always under assault and America is funding terrorists all over, all of this since like the 50s. Where ya been?
Sounds to me like you're 12 maybe and you just dunno what the hell you're talking about, like at all. You need to get off tiktok or whatever the source for your perspective is because it's dog shit poopie diaper.
And I'm sure Hong Kong and Taiwan pulling away from China is a sign the country is doing well, sure. Let's go with that.
The truth is if you look at history empires fall together. This era of shit post WWII is just getting ready to shift. Countries like Honduras, Mexico, Indonesia, countries in Africa, the places US and China shit on, will see an increase in everything as these empires continue to bleed. That's how it goes. Rome dies gives us the Islamic golden age, Imperial British rule falls and the US grows up, US and China will continue to bleed out and fuel the countries that can fill the void.
That's funny good joke their. I'm sure the protestors in Hong Kong and Filipinos and Taiwanese folk think China is super cool. I'm sure the secret police stations they have to watch citizens overseas and their oppression of Muslims in the western parts of China aren't indictive of a country losing control and in response tightening its grip just like the US is doing and just like every other empire that bled out their power did too.
Nobody wins an argument online and with that knowledge I've obviously won here thanks 🫰