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Kids' cavities would increase by millions if every state banned fluoride, study finds
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this post was submitted on 30 May 2025
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You are still missing the point.
One the government will not be bringing those things into effect now. And before you say it neither of us will be starting an armed revolution so save that rhetoric, but you are welcome to prove me wrong.
Two, you do not end the safety net before you implement the solution. That will only cause harm.
Three, I can fight to maintain access to something that helps poor children today AND pursue a better solution.
All you're doing is supporting the rhetoric of the Republicans and advocating to harm children.
We should strive to be better, but we shouldn't pull away access to our basic social safety nets before we replace them. We should do that only after the better system is in place
You're still advocating the status quo. You are not advocating the "solution".
Instead of actively advocating for improvement, you're actively advocating dragging our feet against Republicans advancing their agenda. You're advocating slowing their regression. You're not advocating progress yourself. You're only trying to slow them down.
You accuse me of missing the point; I assure you, I haven't. I am very well aware that harm will arise if no alternative is enacted. I am trying to redirect your attention toward superior alternatives, but you seem hell bent on buttressing the status quo rather than seeking improvement. You're playing a weak defense. You need to go on the offensive.
I don't know what fantasy land you live in, but there is no way this government will be implementing any progressive reform. Cool dream, but it's not happening. And they certainly won't be preemptively enacting it.
Once again I'm all for your progressive solutions. They sound great, but this government will not enact them. Even if they would they will remove the existing system before hand causing harm and suffering.
Harm and suffering you keep supporting for some reason.
What government are you talking about?
This isn't a federal issue. This is state and local. There are 48 state governments and thousands of county and municipal governments involved in decisions on fluoridated water and public health.
Your heel-dragging approach does not call for improvement, just slowing the regression. You have been exposed to several options in this thread for improvement, by me and several others. You have yet to promote any of them. You are continuing to try to drag your feet rather than promote improvement.
Fluoridated salt is a massive improvement over fluoridated water. Promote fluoridation of salt. Fluoridated toothpaste is a massive improvement over fluoridated water. Promote toothpaste.
For preventing caries, fluoridated water is actually the second worst option, in that it is only marginally better than doing absolutely nothing.
Stop promoting mediocrity. Demand better.
Be glad you live a privileged life and don't have to live with the suffering and harm of your rhetoric.
I will advocate for the better and protect what we have now too because I actually care about people.
I won't hold my breath.
I mean you wouldn't have to hold it long, so go ahead if you'd like. You seem to think I'm anti-progress just because unlike you I don't want children to suffer.
I think the conservative approach you are displaying here is emblematic of the last federal election cycle: pissed off at the direction of travel, but unwilling to actually move forward.
I will notice that you have you to make any public statement toward any of the superior options presented to you, nor have you presented your own. To date, your only comments on alternatives to the second-worst option that you do support has been to denounce the intentions of such proponents as trying to make children suffer.
This is the hill I have been talking about the entire time. This is a particularly stupid hill. The only path off of this hill is back the way you came.
Well so you're wrong there. I've agreed with you quite a few times. I've even stated that we need to expand Healthcare access to everyone.
Also don't bother bringing up the election, that's over and we have a new reality that we need to survive.
So let's actually go through your ideas.
Fluorinated salt great idea, but unfortunately due to interstate commerce laws is unlikely one state could require it. The federal government will not be doing that.
Ending poverty and child neglect. I mean obviously yes, but that's something we've been working on for a while. States actually do tend to try that. Unfortunately due to cuts to federal grants and programs many state services are struggling to help. States alone don't have the budget to make up the deficit. They could raise taxes but Americans are dumb.
Expanding access to dental and medical care. Absolutely, we needed universal Healthcare 30 years ago. However this regime will not be voting for that, and unfortunately many states could now see their Medicaid benefits cut. Meaning less people get benefits. Notably that is the only way I myself was able to have access to dental care.
I agree all of these things would be good, but they are being obstructed at every level. I vote, I protest, but that's not been effective yet. Like I said neither of us are starting the revolution, but feel free to prove me wrong.
The only pragmatic approach left is to fight for what we have and try to force this regime to a standstill (doubt the Senate will do this). My goal is to survive and reduce harm. With any luck we see a reversal during mid-terms but I doubt it.
We're kinda fucked, but by allowing them to remove what safety nets we have will only cause suffering. They will not put better alternatives in their place.
All you have done is offer solutions that are fantasy. This regime will not implement them, and with the cuts many states are facing they can't afford to. Instead of only supporting your idea of a perfect solution, fight to keep our current safety nets in place. Fight to reduce suffering, and then fight for something better.
I want a better world, but in the short term I want to reduce suffering. Thankfully I won't fall for your fallacies, you can have both. And I will do both
Yet you only promote the second-worse world available. Curious.
Conservatism is a disease.
That's honestly a hilarious response. Backed into a corner much?
Enjoy the child suffering you're so fond of, and keep denying the science. ✌️