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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Sure, but it's happening, and the old labour-left is pretty much dead.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The old labour became a victim of its own success. As wealth increased, they have had to court the growing, largely moderate middle class in the past thirty years. Although now that the middle class is shrinking but wealth inequality widens, it is time for the left to return to its working class roots.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

You know, I'd actually agree with the general idea there. The Reagan/Thatcher era and the decline of unionism did come after that post-war era of prosperity, and I do think there was a correlation. The guys doing wildcat strikes earlier in the century would have absolutely lost their minds over the government firing striking air traffic controllers; people in the 80's were mildly scandalised.

I just don't see the trend reversing any time in the next two decades. If you look at the actual demographics of the left, the educated, progressive middle class that was always there (think Dickens or Marx) has grown to become it's core, pushing out the trade unionists (as well as largely replacing the old conservative middle class). It's hard to undo that overnight.

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

yeah, I have never in my life met a trade worker that wasn't some frothing right-wing sterotype. Maybe i'm unlucky, but the era of socialist workers looks over to me

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 10 hours ago

I've met a fair few that seemed barely-political, but then again I am in Canada.

[–] Disaster@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Disagree. UAW's high profile cases are a good example of effectively run established old-style unions getting big wins, and unionization is occurring at high rates compared to the historical mean of the past fifty years worldwide, even in the face of total hostility from government and the owner class.

Many unions are currently in a place where they need to hand over the reigns from an older generation that got way too comfortable with cost of living adjustments and cosy relationships with management to a new generation who have been directly blocked from power most of their working lives by that older generation.

Things are going to get much spicier, just watch.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 10 hours ago

The UAW that supports Trump's auto tariffs? In spite of the fact they used to represent Canadian auto workers just accross the border as well? That's not solidarity.

And, MAGA unions are growing in number as of last I checked. Like, sure, labour has been more active recently, and I've heard that it's to be expected when you have higher inflation, but are we sure this is the democracy-loving all-accepting faction from the past, and not just chuds in hardhats?

The RMTU in Britain has also been phenomenonal. Their leaders are natural public speakers and could easily shut down criticisms and biases from the media trying to grill them and their strikes.