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Google has made it much harder for GrapheneOS & CalyxOS to update to Android 16 (lemmy.ca)
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Crossposted from https://slrpnk.net/post/23183334

GrapheneOS statement on Mastodon: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114661914197695338

Calyx made an official statement on this development here: https://calyxos.org/news/2025/06/11/android-16-plans/

Concerning stuff. Hopefully a workaround or solution is found at some point, but if not, I'm already thinking of how to manage without them.

I can't see myself going back to a standard Android phone, so I suppose worse case scenario, I'd have to settle with LineageOS, or potentially abandon Android altogether and see if I can manage with discrete separate devices to fulfill the same needs, such as:

  • a pocketable mini-Linux PC like a MNT Pocket Reform, which has the ability to use cellular networks. Should be able to text, browse web, and maybe GPS? Alternatively, perhaps the Mecha Comet?
  • Small pocket-able dumb camera
  • MP3 player
  • Dumb-phone kept in a faraday bag when not in use?
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[โ€“] Tenderizer@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I like the approach of getting away from smartphones and going with multiple dumb devices.

Anki, Qobuz, and Threema are the potential barriers. I guess I can technically use Anki on a laptop, same with Qobuz (since I don't listen to music while travelling anyway). And Threema I don't actually have any friends on and I basically just use it to transfer files between devices.

So I guess all things together I wouldn't even need a cellular-capable laptop ... if not for banking. As a countermeasure against card-skimming I only transfer money onto my card when I'm about to use it.

[โ€“] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Having a dumb phone is also good for traveling in case they want to violate your right to privacy through security. The powertrippers will see nothing.

Also consider checking out Ubuntu Touch as it has waydroid which can be used for android apps. Linux phones can be considered dumb phones as the oses have less features.

[โ€“] Tenderizer@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

With regards to Ubuntu Touch. https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114662076331894612

GrapheneOS is a Linux distribution. The desktop Linux software stack has far worse privacy and security. It isn't a viable starting point for us. The Linux kernel is also by far the most problematic portion of the overall system from a security perspective. A fully monolithic kernel is a terrible architecture for security. A vulnerability in any part of it gives full control over the whole thing. It's also entirely written in C with major resistance to many systemic security improvements.

GrapheneOS sure is critical of a lot of entities. Recently Firefox, and in the main thread Fairphone. TBH I don't think they're wrong on any of these fronts. Firefox is broadly a mess in terms of organization, Senior Linux Kernel Devs have opposed Rust for reasons so bad even Linus called them out, and the Fairphone I don't know enough about either way.