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Trump, Netanyahu and Khamenei – three angry old men who could get us all killed
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2025
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No doubt Israel started this iteration but to say that Iran doesn't want war is viewing the regime too favourably. Of course they don't want war on Iranian territory - but they do want to directly sponsor Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, al-Assad (until he fell), and other mostly Shia militias while severely oppressing their own population - especially minorities. Fuck Israel but it's not like Iran comes with peaceful intentions. My parents fled from this regime, and while virtually no Iranian supports Israel's actions or wants war, most of us wouldn't shed a single tear if the entire regime were wiped out.
Did you forget that israel also backed the shah which was also oppressive and killed iranian? The west and it proxy israel always trying to control iranian natural ressources.
Iran provide weapons to resistance groups but do not control their actions. It's not different than the united state selling weapona to it's allies
Iran was forced to intervene in syria because the plan was always to put another regime that will protect israel and not because they love the butcher Assas butchring syrians
You can't claim to not support israel when they are the one right now trying to change the regime right now. How many iranians do you think should die for a regime change that will be replaced by a puppet not chosen by iranians?
For me it's about being realistic. Iran is never gonna defeat Israel as long as the Americans support them. You're right that Iran will never flourish because the powers won't ever allow it - Israel, USA, Western Europe, Saudi Arabia, sometimes Turkey.. puppet or not, I'm not gonna support the devil I know just because I can't know what happens in the time after.
You're supporting the devil right now.
So do you agree that Israel should stop the war then Iranians themselves decide to overthrow the regime?
Of course I do? My only statement is that I wouldn't be sad if a rocket happened to hit Khamenei. Never gonna shed a tear for a tyrant, even if it was my other enemy that caused his downfall.
Would you take the same view if Iranian rockets started killing Zionist politicians in Europe?
And it doesn't hit regular people to a significant degree? That'd be great actually. Could they potentially hit some oligarchs and far-right morons as well?
Yeah, not a significant degree, just a few families.
If Khamenei die , it will be replaced by another. In the process of trying to kill Khamenei ton of civilians will die. Are you ready for the rest of your family who are still in Iran to risk dying in the process?
I don't even know my family because we can't travel to the country 😀 so you tell me how unjustified my hatred for this regime is. I don't want any civilian Iranians - and especially my family - to die from Israhelli bombs, but doesn't change the fact I'm gonna smile if Khamenei catches one, replaced by another moron or not.
Would you smile if Macron or Starmer caught an Iranian rocket?
Don't know if Starmer's been directly terrible enough yet that I have such a negative view on him to directly smile, but I won't shed a tear for any warmongerer.
He's actively supported the genocide in Gaza, for one thing
Then why would I be sad if he was hit?
You shouldn't, I'm just not used to people being consistent about this kind of thing.
Fair enough. I may be a jerk sometimes or have edgy takes, but I'm consistent in my contempt for repressive regimes and authorities.
I am not critizing your hate for the regime. I am critizing your lack of empathy for all the iranians that will get murdred in the process of killing khamenei. How about wishing that he will die a painful natural death instead?
I'm a bit too angry, I agree with you, especially with the clear escalations in Israhelli attacks now. I don't want any Iranians to die due to Bibi and his fascists. I'll reconsider by rhetoric in the future and just wish for Khamenei and Bibi to get sudden heart malfunctions.
I agree
Empire has been attacking Iran for centuries. The current state is a direct result of imperial violence. Iran has had no choice but to defend itself for decades.
No doubt Iran has acted in aggressive ways in other places. However it seemed to not have directed its aggression directly at Israel. People keep claiming that Iran would have orchestrated October 7, but if it had, Hezbollah, Houthis and Iranian proxies in Syria and Iraq would have joined in full force. So Iran wasn't interested in a confrontation with Israel in the past years either.
Oh absolutely, this one is on Israel for sure. Just important to note that it's not like the Iranian regime is made up of pacifists
Israel and the US would like my very much if it was made of pacifists