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Trump, Netanyahu and Khamenei – three angry old men who could get us all killed (www.theguardian.com)

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This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.

This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.

Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?

Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.

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[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

In the United States, the president does not approve candidates and he doesn't appoint anyone who approves candidates.

| A government more liberal than Iran in the middle east.

You might as well ask for the most slave friendly state in the antebellum South. They're shit. The 2009 elections might have yielded a more liberal parliament, but those elections got fudged and when people took to the streets, the state murdered 1.500 of them. If there ever was any democracy, it died that year.

Not a single man will ever be able to run in Iran on a platform that doesn't rely on the Shariah to dispense justice, that does not demand the subjugation of women or liberalizes society in any meaningful way. Iran had a democracy. It got couped, replaced with a monarchy and now Iran lives under a theocracy with a democratic theater in front.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

You might as well ask for the most slave friendly state in the antebellum South.

Stacking the antebellum South against Bleeding Kansas and asking which state is the most slave friendly? It's an easy answer. One of them had men and women fight the encroaching slavers off at gunpoint and declared itself a free state. And they did it while waving a few bibles, which I'm sure is the real sin involved.

Those damned abolitionists were too fucking religious. Therefore, they were just as bad as the slaughterhouses full of mutilated slaves next door.

Not a single man will ever be able to run in Iran on a platform that doesn’t rely on the Shariah to dispense justice

How did the far more secular Iraq fair when the Texas-born Southerner George W. Bush came calling?

It's so crazy to see you bring up the American slave system, in the midst of a US-backed jihad on Iranian soil by their proxies in the ethno-nationalist state of Israel. Gee, why would Iranians be so hostile towards these foreigners and so intent on policing themselves against their influence? Is it because every attempt to reach out a hand in pursuit of peace and prosperity, the response is another bombing run?

Iran had a democracy. It got couped, replaced with a monarchy and now Iran lives under a theocracy

Iran had a secular democracy. Then all the secularists got butchered and purged by the Shah. The survivors were the Islamists. And when they regained their strength and revolted, the nation that emerged was a sectarian state, born out of the blood and fire of a western backed civil war.

The west is still at war with Iran for all the Iranians' efforts at peace. And it seems the western raison d'être for this half century of butchery is "Damn, y'all are too Muslim"?

Fuck off.

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago

Didn't know the people in bleeding Kansas started executing slaves, but hey, what's a little repression of Kurdish and Arab rebellions in an empire eh?

And why, if no other possible party was there and the Islamists achieved their goal totally unopposed, did they feel the need to massively purge their own revolutionary government within the year?

Framing a fucking Shariah state as "trying to keep western influence out", while said State encodes the legal discrimination of women and non-shia Muslims into law, retains apostasy laws and oppresses the shit out of it's Kurdish and Balochi minorities, is the most "West bad" type of shit I've seen in days.

I don't hate the Basijis and Mullahs because the western media told me, I hate them because of my Iranian friends. I am sure, Nika Shakarami, Mahsa Amini and Hadis Najafi can rest easy knowing that the Regime that murdered them at least isn't a disgusting westernized one.

Fuck off. Go suck basij dick somewhere else.