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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It's also a great opportunity for Russia to starve the US economy by getting them involved in conflicts it cannot economically support. And the US is far more overextended due to other conflicts.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 0 points 55 minutes ago* (last edited 54 minutes ago) (1 children)

You might have a point if the US were fighting in Ukraine, but... we're not? We're advising the Ukraine army, sharing intelligence we'd be gathering anyways and giving AFU a bunch of export weapon systems we found by rummaging around in the pentagon's couch cushions. This has been a spectacular opportunity for the US because it costs us almost nothing, yet what used to be considered our biggest opponent is teetering on the brink of cultural and economic collapse. Seriously, even if Kiev were to fall tomorrow NATO would be no-contest the victor. Nobody cares about the bear any more.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 18 minutes ago)

You might have a point if the US were fighting in Ukraine, but… we’re not?

Yes, we're just sacrificing their lives for the realpolitic of weakening Russia, which is also bad.

we found by rummaging around in the pentagon’s couch cushions... it costs us almost nothing

Lmao, y'all actually believe this shit.

The US spends nearly a trillion dollars a year on the military, more than the next nine countries in the world combined. Every government program designed to actually help people gets cut to feed more money into the war machine. It's no wonder we have "military equipment between our couch cushions," because military equipment is what virtually all our tax money goes towards, when it's the reason we can't have things like free healthcare or higher education. Notice how we never seem to find money between our couch cushions for those things?

what used to be considered our biggest opponent

Did it? Who considered the Russian Federation a bigger opponent than the PRC?

is teetering on the brink of cultural and economic collapse

Looked in a mirror lately? The US just elected Trump, in part because people think he represents an alternative to the disastrous establishment policies that pour endless money into pointless foreign wars, and to an economy that is working for fewer and fewer people. Seems like "on the brink of cultural collapse" describes the US to a T.

But moreover, the whole American Empire is falling apart around us. Every year, more and more countries that are just as significant as Ukraine are choosing to make deals with China, to start trading and cooperating with them instead of us. Because the US is trying to rule the world through force and intimidation, while China is manufacturing consumer goods and building hospitals and infrastructure for developing and middle-income countries - the things we won't even build domestically. Who would want to side with us when you can look at our domestic situation and see that it's declining and awful? If that's the best we can provide our own citizens, then what could we offer to other countries?

If I were an "accelerationist," like people sometimes baselessly accuse me of, I would 100% support spending more on the military and getting involved in these stupid unwinnable conflicts all over the world, dumping endless amounts of money towards any situation we can use bombs and not sparing a penny for actually making anyone's life better, because those self-destructive policies will ensure the downfall of the US more than anything else could. The problem with that being, the US is likely to start WWIII in that scenario, the more clear it becomes that the military is literally the only tool that we could possibly use to maintain hegemony, since it's the only thing we spend money on.