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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


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[–] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 54 points 1 week ago (20 children)

This ceasefire has the same vibes as the one in Lebanon. Unilaterally declared and still followed.

Iran shouldn't take it. But if they do, nominally they are victorious since Israel failed to a) cause regime change and b) destroy Iran's nuclear program.

However, a) could still happen if the ceasefire is taken due to internal unrest.

[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

No they are not nominally victorious if they cease fire at this point. The entity and the US have inflicted far more damage on Iran than vice versa at this point. What exactly is stopping israel from attacking them again in a week's time if they ceasefire now?

[–] Biddles@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Of course the US and Israel inflicted more physical damage. That would always be the case when Israel has nuclear weapons, and the backing of the most powerful military in the world. But Iran survived, and inflicted much more psychological damage on Israel. The illusion of safety is shattered, and Israel is again the aggressor and driving the opinion of reasonable people away from them

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Psychological damage doesn't kill them. The genocide will be completed now. Nobody did anything. Nobody stood up for them but Yemen. Iran was dragged into the war against its will and immediately buckled, underwhelming the entire axis.

[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Calm down chuddy the orange man made it up

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Emir of Qatar also lying? I hope so, but I've been through this like 5 times already and its the same pattern over and over. I really do hope the Emir of Qatar and Trump are just straight up making things up out of wholecloth and Iran continue to attack the entity, but something doesn't add up here. De-escalatory telegraphed strike on the USA that Iran always does when it wants to give up and wriggle its way back into sticking its head in the sand.

[–] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nah they just denied it for a second. I guess now we wait and see if Israel breaks the ceasefire again.

[–] cinnaa42@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

It's not enough to make up for multiple high-level assassinations, countless strikes on civilian and military infrastructure, and the loss of many top nuclear scientists. A longer war in which israeli AD becomes more degraded would have been far more equal in terms of physical and psychological damage. I hope for this reason that the ceasefire is not real.

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