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As Dem Establishment Backs Cuomo, Calls Grow for NYC Mayor Race to Be 'Referendum' on Party's Direction
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Its becoming very obvious that thete isn't a path for progress through the Democrat party.
I fucking hate this logic. Trump took over the Republican party through the primary without Republican party support. People need to vote for the progressives in the Democratic primaries and not wait for the Democrat establishment to endorse them.
Yeah, progressives need to take over the party. That, or start a new one without the baggage in order to really change the system, but that's a lot harder. Not doing either of these is just giving up.
You can't start a new party without rank choice voting otherwise you'll just split the vote. You'll be falling for the divide and conquer strategy. Vote for progressives in democratic primaries and support rank choice voting. Only once a vast majority of the country is solidly rank choice should talk of a new party even be mentioned.
And you're not going to get ranked choice voting without a new party.
However, there are a lot of people who don't vote, and a lot of people who are unhappy about both parties. There are Republican voters disappointed in Trump who still can't bring themselves to vote Dem because of all the propaganda they've put in their heads. A jew party would be a fresh start.
A bigger problem is making it an actually big party, getting media attention, getting money to campaign with, etc. US politics runs on money. Because yet another Green or Libertarian Party won't be helping.
Not true, parts of the US have ranked choice. You have ignored the divide and conquer point. You cannot have a new party before ranked choice without splitting the vote.
Get those people to vote in democratic primaries. Green and Libertarian exist for people unhappy with both parties and they just help to split the vote and barely increase voter turnout. Republicans strategiests promote the Green party because it helps them win elections by splitting the vote.
A new party won't break that propaganda, you have to break the propaganda machine. If a new party was a threat, they'd just spin up new propaganda and guess what, those people will fall in line and not vote for your new party.
You clearly understand the difficulty of a new party. That's why democratic primaries are vastly easier. You need less money, you need fewer votes to win, you can operate entirely in a smaller market, you don't need national media. Once you've won, you've already eliminated a candidate you'd have to run against and won't be splitting the vote with.
I totally agree that primaries are far easier. Orders of magnitude. But you hold on to a lot of baggage that way. There's something attractive about a fresh start, and there are very successful independent candidates. Bernie has good reasons not to be part of the Democratic Party.
And ranked choice isn't the only thing you need; you need proportional representation in Congress. That's the only way to actually represent all Americans. It's always going to be hard to get one of the two parties in power to give up that power to share it with more parties.
But as I said, such a big third party is incredibly hard. The system is rigged against it, and the financing and media even more so. You'd have to have a very broad popular movement, more than just a party. There's nothing like that but there are candidates for primaries.
That's not going make me stop dreaming about a big third party, though.