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Many eldars were already seeking extremes but the dark eldar do not seem to be the norm of that time. Given time would they have eventually have eventually become like drukhari apart from the few exodites?

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Entire thing is incredibly suspicious. Their civilization lasted for at least 65 million years. 65 MILLION years, meaning it was incredibly static and they didn't fallen at any point in this time. And we know they didn't until 20-something millenium because there was apparently peace with humanity, full power Eldar empire could destroy humanity at any time, but they instead allowed humans to take nearly entire galaxy (with their empire being fairly small territorially, most of their population concentrated in what later became Eye of Terror). Now can you imagine what would happen if entire Eldar empire was like drukhari? They would slaughter or enslave humanity, which didn't happen. Conclusion is that they weren't decadent as a species.

Incidentally, their fall happened roughly at the same time Emperor started to seek to lead the humanity. But what prevented him? Humanity being too powerful, Dark Age human empires would't accepted his rule easy, and Eldar with their incredibly powerful psykers posed a mortal threat too.

My theory is that being crazy deranged nazi (and most powerful psyker in galaxy) he caused the fall of Eldar, possibly using small decadent faction (remember that the main source on decadency of Eldar is Vect words and he's not really famous for truthfulness and he also have every reason to portray every Eldar as being as fucked up as he is) thus starting the turmoil that would eventually turn into Age of Strife and prepare the galaxy for his conquest.

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I question it. Its likely they saw humans as beneath them but drukhari level deranged? I imagine the whole 40k galaxy would be as bad as the warp. Their weapons are made to inflict as much pain possible. One blade that causes the flesh to eat itself at the smallest scratch. Honestly you're morally obligated to wipe every last one of them frpm existence

Its like another I have about the other three chaos gods being formed when they did.... Why wasn't it during the war in heaven when it was the most devastating war on record? Maybe they did form and were not self aware or sentient. And time works weird in the warp. The old ones were insanely powerful psykers and they created the eldar who are psykers

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Its like another I have about the other three chaos gods being formed when they did.... Why wasn't it during the war in heaven

That's exactly when they formed, Khorne likely being the first. Remember, the galaxy is a biiiiiiig place. There's anywhere between 100 and 400 billion stars. Even if Chaos spread across a thousand solar systems each year, it still wouldn't have spread through the whole galaxy in 60 million years. Entire species evolved, became sentient, built civilizations, and went extinct before they encountered Chaos. The Warp itself is even more vast and infinite. So before Chaos could expand outwards into the materium, it had to evolve and develop within the immaterium.

Another reason is because Chaos is us, the audience, and the Warp is the real world outside of 40k. Humans were more preoccupied with what's actually happening and not writing fanfic for their toys. Hence, the previous 65 million years where nothing ever happens.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

During Great Crusade traces of chaos influence among xenos were subtle. What really caused it all to explode was Horus Heresy. And look how human chaos is (there's still barely any chaos xenos in lore), older lore even straight up said humans caused chaos gods to form, like first Bloodthirster was Genghis Khan for example. It also fit the original over the top satirical face of 40K that humans are the problem. Later it was retconned when Warhammer became serious and Imperium is hailed good.

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