In Germany, we differentiate E- and U-Musik. E (Ernst) means "serious" and is classical music and stuff. U (Unterhaltung) = entertainment and is everything African American inspired (Jazz, Rock, Pop, hip hop, ...). This difference basically exists to devalue everything that isn't central European in origin

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah... Mozart's compositions definetly are only serious and not for entertainment at all. Stuff like... checks notes "Leck mich im Arsch" or the original text of "Bona Nox". /s

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Adam Neely has a good video on this. Music is constantly judged on how well it conforms to "the harmonic style of 18th century European musicians"

https://youtu.be/Kr3quGh7pJA

[–] match@pawb.social 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

y'all should stop differentiating them

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

True and it's far less common nowadays I think. I haven't heart it for a while. I remember in school our teacher discussed it critically but not from a CRT perspective but more like "some classical music is quite danceable and some blues can get quite serious", not "this is a eurocentric concept and we should stop it"

[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Except for traditional Folk from various European locations. I think this still counts as "Western Music", even if it isn't that popular.

If you consider the Western World to be purely Northern America, then I think you're right, since Native American tribes are normally not considered Western.

Imo, the best music comes from a mix of various cultures, I'm a huge fan of Folk Rock/Metal. (Rock and thus Metal obviously coming from Blues).

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Definitly true and fair point, yes i meant pop music in western countries. Also still a lot of new classical music being released. I would be more right if i had said 'almost all genres of western pop music have Afro-American roots'.

[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

All good, I didn't want to accuse you of being wrong or anything. I just like to think of exceptions in cases like that. And I learned a few things on the way :)

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 2 points 2 months ago

I didn't feel accused, so all good :)

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That's the first time I have heard techno coming from hiphop and ~~techno~~ punk rock. I thought it was more disco (which also has African American roots of course) and Krautrock etc.

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago

Probably has multiple roots that came together, i believe the name techno has something to do with there being new (tech) instruments and I afaik the drummachines came from hip hop because rock had real drummers but techno also used analog synthesisers in their early days which I guess were not from hip hop but from punk. Disco must had an influence as well, but I am really no expert.