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China's foreign minister tells EU that Beijing cannot afford Russia to lose in Ukraine, media reports
(kyivindependent.com)
this post was submitted on 03 Jul 2025
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China has chosen to be the enemy the west and rules based order then.
No, you're not understanding what is being said here. The west has always declared China the opponent and they'll take China on when they finish their other conflicts like Russia. The EU has consistently asked China to stop Russia. China's just saying the quiet part out loud. Who in their right mind would help you after you constantly called me a threat and told me if Russia falls you're coming after me?
Edit for those down voting me, here's Kallas saying China is next, the person China is talking to in the article.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQTS1RC50A
Always? Citation needed. After COVID, maybe? Or did it start with tramp in 2016, maybe sooner at the 2008 olympics? Certainly in 1993 that was not the case when China entered the WTO.
And of course: nearly nobody in the EU wanted to fight russia or spend more on defense until forced to open their eyes on russia's reinvasion of Ukraine in 2022.
Since the Opium Wars. Churchill even talked about breaking China apart a la the Muslim World so that it can never rise again.
Yeah, that guy's gone. The policy with China was to encourage it to become the Germany of Asia in the hopes that it would liberalize as it developed. Well...no...shit happens...
Yes, go on from there. Shit happened. What will be next?
I don't think anybody planned beyond that, by everyone's reactions. But it looks as if people read too much Fukuyama uncritically and not enough Huntington.
How about this from 2025?: Kaja Kallas: EU Must Focus on Russia Before Taking on China | Dawn News English
It is not like Sinophobia and Yellow Perilism suddenly stopped in the West. China sees what the West is doing to Gaza and the Middle East as a whole, and knows if it weren't for its might they would do the same to it. I see Westerners online openly daydream of breaking up China and post their maps of a broken-up China. Breaking up the Middle East and the Muslim World doomed it for over a century, why would China allow that for itself? They know they are next.
Also, why is liberalism mandatory? I don't want my country to liberalize. There are other systems that work just as well if not better than [mandatory] Liberalism. If Chinese liberalize that's their own business and if they don't that's their choice.
At least since Obama.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration
Here's an EU based article saying that really it's been happening since Clinton.
https://ecpr.eu/Events/Event/PaperDetails/25139
Always as in before anyone currently in power was in power.
Now, China is just saying what your thinking. If EU isn't supporting USA on this, we can talk. Otherwise what do we gain from not keeping Russia afloat?
Edit btw the point of all of this is China is literally telling the EU how to stop the war. Turn on the US
Yeah, the 1st paper is from 2015, that's after the Hong Kong protests, when it was finally clear that China was going to stamp out democracy in Hong Kong and Xi Jinping's new Wolf Warrior diplomacy. Excuse us for being...unimpressed.
Eh, but I'm not making any predictions, but if russia implodes by repeatedly hitting their head against a wall, you're cleaning up that mess, not us, he's your drunken psychotic friend now. We already got plenty scalded trying to rehab them and getting blamed for everything that went wrong.
There are a lot of protests in Hong Kong, but the Hong Kong protests was definitely after 2015.
The crackdown on the George Floyd protests was far more violent and deadly. You can't point at China when your own house is a mess.
Yes any talk about democractic reason to stop China is stupid considering they "NATO allies" are committing a full blown genocide in Gaza.
In reality China is a natural threat to wealthy people in the west because they have the population and the technology to: 1) fight any attempt to be exploited , 2) Exploit other countries.
There are wealthy people in China too (and a disgusting cult of wealth to go with it to make any communist nauseous or any oligarch envious) and they're obedient little piggies, just like those idiots at tramp's inauguration
That was a paper talking about history. That it started before Obama even. Though, as the wiki article states at a minimum it started with Obama. Also, why would Russia lose? The implied threat is your going to be facing down J20s if it gets bad enough.
Clarity is actually better in these things.
I'm clear. The EU talks about wanting to stop Russia, but doesn't actually work with the partner that can stop Russia. That's as clear as it gets.
I guess that depends on what the US turns into...and there is no clarity there... :/
China's just talking about stopping Russia. Which the EU keeps saying it's the top priority. They're willing to spend billions to do it. China's saying you can save all that money, totally your choice. It's easy for me.
Edit see we are talking about different clarity. Europe has none. China has all of it.
Do you understand why the EU considers this a top priority? Hint: it is not about Ukraine's land or NATO/EU membership.
Well, as Kallas says, it's to go after China next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihQTS1RC50A
So, after that statement, I honestly can't imagine China having more clarity on supporting Russia.
No, it's russia. The whole point of NATO is russia. russia needs to have its invincibility myth shattered and imperialist tendencies restrained (Merkel tried this with trade and failed) by learning that they wasted millions of people and gained nothing. This is a hard learned lesson by most EU countries and is the glue of the EU. If the EU loses this, the lesson is that pacifism is a losing strategy and russia will just learn that war pays, so they will regroup and return for more in a generation.
The US should have learned this too from Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan...and they do appear wary of starting new wars...even the neofascists.
China...has a lot of nationalists, but so far has focussed on trade...hasn't started any wars...fine with he EU. Could be a good partner to fight climate change, because the US and russia will never abandon their precious fossil fuels.
Oh God that's a lot of words that China doesn't care about. If you tell China that China's next after Russia, yeah China's gonna help Russia. Seems obvious. Why should China care why NATO?
By humiliating and pushing out the pacifists, you ensure that there will be war. That's it. The US is doing it, russia is doing it, China apparently also wants to do it, why not.
Really? You call a person literally threatening China and now sitting across the table a pacifist? You got a weird definition there buddy. I'll take the side of the country that hasn't been involved in a conflict for over 40 years.
Yeah, nobody in the EU is going to war with China, but its tech dominance (as the US's) poses a challenge to how the countries organize themselves. You confuse The EU with the west, but if the US abandoned NATO, would China abandon russia? I don't think so. So China's backstop of russia is a direct threat to the EU, whereas the EU is not direct threat to China without going through the US.
Did you not understand, that's exactly the offer China is giving the EU in this statement. Abandon the US and we can talk about abandoning Russia.
The EU can't abandon the US first, more likely that the US would abandon the EU... damn...this is like couples' therapy.
Ok, we were talking about why China said what they said. It's not some evil reason or an excuse to invade Taiwan. It's simply if your going to threaten us as next, then we will support Russia. Whatever reason the EU has to not abandon the raving lunatic in USA is not China's problem.