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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 197 points 1 week ago (24 children)

Let's be clear about something; climate scientists almost universally agree that there is no such thing as "winning" or "losing" the fight against climate change (Suzuki, for the record, is a zoologist, not a climate scientist). This isn't a game, there's no referee, and no one gets a trophy at the end.

The battle against climate change is about mitigating harm. The worse we do, the more harm there will be. But there is never a point where it is "too late". The car is going to crash, but the sooner you hit the brakes, the less damaging the impact will be. Everything we do to push the needle will save lives. There is never a point where we get to throw up our hands and succumb to the comforting fantasy that it's "too late" to change anything.

I have a lot of respect for Suzuki, and I don't blame him for feeling defeated with everything that's happening, but spreading this kind of message is, dangerous, damaging, and flies entirely in the face of the science.

[–] jafffacakelemmy@mander.xyz -1 points 1 week ago (9 children)

In your car crash analogy, we are now past the point where hitting the brakes will help. The car will be irrepairably destroyed and all passengers will be killed.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That's why it's an analogy, and not reality.

There is no point where hitting the brakes will not help. We can always reduce the amount of harm done.

[–] Pfeffy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This seems like the "comforting fantasy" to me. Or a terrible analogy.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

The comforting fantasy is the idea that we can throw up our hands and say "We lost."

Losing is easy. It demands nothing from us. Losing has no call to action. If we've lost, then there's no fight left to be fought.

The reality is that the fight is always worth fighting. And that sucks, because it means we never get to give up. We never get to say "It's over", and stop caring. Caring is a lot harder.

[–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In not an appropriate analogy. We are not just the people in the car, we are the whole neighborhood.

Even if the people in the car cannot prevent a crash by braking, they can still prevent further damage to people and property by braking as much as possible while within their means.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it's more about the people in the car taking their foot off the gas so they don't get going fast enough to crash through multiple houses and burn the whole neighborhood down. Still worth doing even if we're well past the point of hitting the brakes preventing any damage.

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