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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 day ago (14 children)

How about instead of speed cameras you change your road designs? People won't speed if they cannot speed safely.

Make your roads less wide. Add some curves, depending on required max speed, you make the curves larger or smaller. On lower speed roads, add obstacles to drive around.

There are many forms of traffic management that don't require speeding cameras but then again, speeding cameras are for making the government money, not for traffic safety

[–] GameGod@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Honest to god, it's not that hard to do 40 km/h in these zones. They post a sign telling you there's a speed camera coming up. You just have to go 40 for like 20 meters to avoid a ticket.

Why should we socialize the cost of "fixing" the road design, when we can instead make the individuals who speed pay?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

We donthat because we found that wide roads make people drive faster unconsciously. If you design roads badly, people will speed, it will be dangerous. Design roads better and you save lives.

Putting up signs is what most countries have done for decades with exactly 0 results.

A slightly different post had road fatalities in a graph for the US, Canada, and Australia, showing insane levels of road deaths. A secondary graph was added showing the Netherlands at a fraction of those countries, even though the Netherlands is much more densly populated.

Wanna know why? Because the Netherlands does this all the time. Any time an intersection has a lot of accidents, they break up the damn thing and put in a completely newly designed one, and traffic deaths go down. A road has too much speeding? They'll tear out that crap, put in a new road designed in such a way that people will automatically drive the correct speed et voila, speeding stops, Ross fatalities go down

That's why you want to do that

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