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Shameless pedophiles are just the worst.
I hope I don't catch flak for this, but part of me feels bad for adults attracted to minors that DON'T want to be. Like fuck shameless pedophiles that actively prey on children, but I'd image there's also people out there who quietly live with the disorder and fucks their life up. There was a documentary I watched by Louis Theroux once about a special prison just for pedophiles and it was kind of sad. Like it's obvious they weren't getting the help they needed inside and it was just a place to hold them so they wouldn't be murdered in prison. The only real way out was voluntary chemical castration and come on that's pretty barbaric.
It sucks you can't approach or talk about these people without the baggage of violent pedophiles who actually hurt people.
idk hope I'm not too off base here.
So heres the thing. If someone is in prison for it, it means they commited a crime. Thoughts are not crimes. Feelings are not crimes. Those people did an action that got them in prison. Just like you can want to murder somebody, but not do it because you know murder is bad.
Would it be nice if we had a society where the people silently suffering could go get the help they need, and get their mind right? Yeah. But those people in prison deserve to be there. Never forget that. Even if those people were to be somehow magically made to not be pedophiles anymore they would STILL be a danger to society. The crimes they commited reflect their own wants, but their willingness to commit the crime is another matter entirely. IMO the punishment for the crimes those people committed should be execution. Chemical castration is way too merciful.
So you are right that the underlying chemical imbalance, or whatever causes it isn't something that should doom someone. It's not their fault they're attracted to what they are. BUT it is their fault if they act on it, and they don't deserve your sympathy.
Are we on a communist board mostly populated by Americans where you are saying that everyone in prison is actually guilty of what they were convicted of? I'm not saying it's that common for people to be falsely accused of CSA (I have no idea), but people get put in prison for terrible crimes that they didn't commit all the time.
It's better for people to be rehabilitated and contribute constructively to society. There is no "deserving" punishment. Either they need to be put away for the time being for the common good, or you're literally just torturing someone.
Never mind, you're just being a retributive sicko. I won't speculate on your root motivation for saying it (every possibility that I can think of is pretty rude to suggest) but you're just advocating for complete barbarism in a way that's divorced from any serious path to make society better. Just "kill the baddies."
This was not a discussion about the effectiveness of the American legal system. My comment was already long enough without taking the time to hash out whether or not each specific justice system is able to correctly determine who commits crimes and who doesnt. I was simply putting a contrast between those who may have pedophillic thoughts but do not act on them, and those who do.
It is not about punishment. People who commit crimes like this against children are a danger to them, and need to be kept away from them by force. This is not to punish the person who did it, but to protect every child in society.
Would i be a retibutive sicko to advocate for the execution of Nazis? Or Hitler himself? Execution is something China uses for these exact situations. People who do things like this to children are a danger to every child, and a 0 tolerance policy is the best way to protect children. Being merciful towards them does not make society better. It makes it more dangerous.
I don't know which one of us you're lying to.
"Deserve" is not a term of utility and consequence. "Deserve" means that they should suffer in prison even if there is no external benefit. You aren't talking about protecting children, something everyone obviously agrees with, you are trying to assert as self-evident the need to inflict suffering for its own sake and then masking that with language about protecting children. Does that remind you of anyone?
Aside from the absolutely ridiculous and disgusting way that you made sweeping statements about prisoners as though the justice system is that dedicated to justice, something you can't just paper over by saying "oh, I didn't want to get lost in the weeds in my 'fuck people in prisons' rant," you're also treating people who have done wrong as though they can't change, as though their souls are just inferior to yours. Here, one might be tempted to speculate why you are choosing to categorize people this way, but I'm still going to refrain. How do I know you're doing this? Because I said:
And you could have just said "yeah"
This is an insipid comparison, but regardless the answer in the context of a powerful and wealthy state is that yes, executing people to satisfy your own impotent sense of moral outrage is bad and you shouldn't do it. If you're in the midst of a revolution or some other very tenuous situation, or you really need to pick and choose which mouths to feed, yeah, fuck 'em, even if they aren't criminals someone ultimately may need to go for the common good. But we aren't talking about that kind of situation, we are talking about an abundantly wealthy civil society that doesn't need to behave like it's under artillery fire.
I was also withholding remarks on how you're an embarrassment to your communist aesthetic and much more at home with punitively-minded reactionaries, but here I have constructive reason to remark on it: Do you know whose side represents China's stance back when it cared about Mao for any reason beyond nationalism? Mine. Mao made it a specific point of pride that even Emperor Puyi himself (along with countless KMT and even Japanese soldiers) were rehabilitated and able to participate in society constructively as good socialists. The current policy of the state that uses Mao's corpse as a costume is absurd and unjustifiable.
You are so caught up in your To Catch a Predator fantasy that you are missing several practical aspects of the common good, not the least of which being that we aren't asking God, in His omniscience, to strike down predators, and killing innocent people should indeed be considered a danger to society.
Furthermore, no one is saying we should "tolerate" predators, like you catch a Catholic priest doing the Catholic priest thing and say "well, everyone gets one!" The point is that you are speaking of these people as some sort of elemental force, metaphysically bound by their dirty souls to hurt people and hurt people. Should they be kept on a registry for the rest of their life? Yeah, I think so, but that doesn't mean they remain predators and are beyond any rehabilitation, even if it takes years of the state keeping them in some facility to accomplish that end.
You seriously sound like TYT talking about bail reform.
Typical westerner who says all AES states are bad, and takes a single word someone says and tries to read entire worldviews into it. Putting so much effort into trying to spin what i said as somehow inhumane when i was clearly making a distinction between people who actively choose to be child predators, and those who do not. Not making statements as to the effectiveness of the American justice system.
Then talking about rehabilitation for people like that as if its the same thing as rehabilitating an emperor who was ignorant and insulated, and whose crimes were systemically taught to him as a good thing/necessary his entire life.
These people went against what is societally acceptable in their own societies. To harm children in the most despicable way possible in order to fufill their own desires. Regardless of how nice to might sound to say we can just "Fix" them we cant. We don't know how. If one day we figure out WHY they do what they do, and how we can fix them then sure we can do that. But its not something we know how to do.
To let them walk the streets again registry or not is untenable. Did you read the article i sent you? Those men China executed commited long-term coordinated crimes against children to the point some of those children took their own lives. You would what? Put them in jail for a few years then put them on a list, release them, and hope they don't do it again? That is absolutely irresponsible and ridiculous. It not only allows those very people to go commit the same crimes again, but tells others who might think of doing those crimes that they will survive it even if caught.
As for your focus on "deserve" for some reason. As the original comment was talking about people who don't want to be pedophiles, but are. I was making a distinction. The people in jails for it are the ones who DID act on it. Hence they deserve to be imprisoned and are in a seperate category than those who DID NOT act on it. Because i was pointing out how people do not get sent to prison for simply thinking pedophillic things and never acting on it. It's the action that gets them arrested.
As for you refusal to see my point on the justice system i will remind you America is not the only country on earth. Why would i bring up America centric issues like its justice systems tendency to wrongfully convict when talking about a global issue. On top of that the justice system in any nation does not exist to get 100% of its convictions right all the time anyway. It exists, in a functional nation atleast, to ensure stability. You can't just allow criminals who would harm others to walk around freely. So we have to rely on imperfect systems that sometimes can get it wrong. We take efforts to make them get it wrong less often of course, but it's just something that happens.
This is why we have trials, and we treat a conviction of a crime as confirmation that someone DID do that crime not because it is correct 100% of the time, but because it is more often than not correct, and it is the only mechanism we have to determine someones innocence or guilt. If you want to advocate for a different system to do this then that's great, and i hope you find one that gets the answer right more often. It's not relevant to this conversation though. Justice systems vary by country, and sometimes even regions within a country. The effectiveness of these is something each nation has to handle on its own. Until then we have no choice but to assume those convicted are guilty as that is the entire point of having trials. To throw out that assumption wholesale would lead to having no mechanisms to determine guilt or innocence at all.
Anyway to close yes i allign politically with modern day China on most things. If you consider that to mean i am "Aesthetically Communist" and actually some sort of reactionary then thats great for you. Personally i think that your the one being aesthetically communist while refuting any system that actually works to empower the workers. Let me guess your a big fan of european socialist communes that ultimately failed? Certain westerners tend to love socialism as long as it doesnt actually threaten capitalism in the slightest. But as soon as an AES state is successful they're "Evil Authoritarians" lol. It's just a coincidence that your views on China allign with US foreign policy interests right? Couldn't possibly be because they've purposefully cultivated that view among their people in order to support their own goals, and keep actual leftist sentiment under control, and focused on ineffective means of combating capitalism right? So keep on despising every country that is Americas enemy for being authoritarian. It's such an easy position to hold when your in the west I'm sure nobody gives you push back on it. Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, etc would all agree with you. China bad. DPRK bad. etc.