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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (19 children)

no one has cared since record executives have been generating AI generated tier music by hand.

What's the fucking difference between a rich asshole comissioning music based around market resarch, to be made by some trendy female popstar, written by five different men, the singing gets autotuned, punch clock studio musicians play generic chord progressions and melodies, and it's all straight ahead 4/4

At least with imaginative gen AI, you can get cool stuff like Pho-que

If you dislike Pho-que, you'll probably dislike the human counterparts like Shining (Nor) or Naked City

[–] UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Jørgen is my spirit animal and Arctopus fucking rules but this take is hot as fuck my dude. Real people making real music with real instruments is art. Generative AI takes our art and makes emotionless, sloppy approximations out of it. If you despise cookiecutter pop now you're going to be blown away by the absolute drivel that is already being pumped out thanks to genAI. The only reason the song you linked is 'imaginative' is because a real human already imagined it only to have it tossed into the slop pile for a computer to root through. Wouldn't you prefer the 'actual' musicians making 'actual' music be recognized instead of being buried even further under exponentially growing pools of emotionless notes arranged into emotionless music? The musicians you and I both appreciate for their creativity and skill are having that skill and creativity stolen from them and you're cool with it because pop doesn't innovate? Because musicians with decades of knowledge of their instruments and a variety of styles want a paycheck? Record execs have leeched off actual creativity for a solid century now and you want to end them with an even more soulless product that still doesn't pay artists? It might start with pop but if you think avante-garde, cerebral music will be ignored you're mistaken.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world -1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

You deserve a better reply and I will write you one later, but...

Arctopus fucking rules but this take is hot as fuck my dude.

Bro, the song skullgrid was generated by a Java program that Colin and a programmer friend of his, ~~possibly Mike~~ , was working on. In 200X. You've been rocking out to AI generated music before you even realised. Brian Eno also had some music that was meant to be generated by an automated system, and afaik, so did John cage.

Edit : https://colinmarston.bandcamp.com/album/computer-music-2003-2004

the sounds were created in Wire, a program using Jsyn written by Phil Burk, which is a java-based synthesis engine. i created the scores in JMSLscore (a java-based scoring program by Nick Didkovsky). this allowed me to access sounds i created from scratch, but organize them with a traditional musical staff.
"Fore" became the warr guitar part for the song "Skullgrid" from BTA. the first 41 seconds: beholdthearctopus.bandcamp.com/album/skullgrid

[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That is by no means AI generated, and certainly not by today's understanding of the term. If I write a score and design an instrument (or sound, etc), that is still a creative process. Brian Eno literally created ambient music with algorithms like that, but it is still his creative work.

My point is just computer-generated ≠ ai-generated in general discourse.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What's the difference? Why isn't it seen as a collaboration between the person writing the prompt (using a scripting language) and the programmer/designer of the generation software and curator of the Data set?

[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 3 points 19 hours ago

I'm not sure I entirely follow you (I'm only half awake, sorry), but programmed music is only generated by computers insofar the computer is generating 44100 samples every second based on a set of mathematical rules the composer made. AI music is generated based on huge datasets and probability; the composer has very little to no specific control.

If I program a instrument/synth in Supercollidor or Pure Data or some hardware synth, and then sample the instrument/synth or create and sequence a melody for it on my MIDI (piano) keyboard or Schism Tracker, etc., I have complete and absolute control over everything, down to the very waveform. In that case I am truly and purely the creator of the piece.

If I type in a prompt, I am just playing a probability lottery. I have done jack shit more than describing a piece of music.

I might have misunderstood you though. For now, I'm going to bed. Good night!

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