Palestine

the physical evidence we do have points only at the idf

Not that i like to do this, but i'm pro-Hamas(, since they have no other choices left than violence in the face of colonization), and recognize that 'their bodycam'/'the dashcam/c.c.t.v.'/.. footages are authentic : https://archive.ph/Ux0yY
It's important to note that, yes, they didn't want to kill as many civilians as possible, that wasn't the aim of their operation, and the propaganda against them is, predictably, awfully biased. However even if Israel never released the full unedited footages, we have evidences : https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/10/18/israel/palestine-videos-hamas-led-attacks-verified
If you just say that they planned to take hostages(, and not simply "kill as many jews as they can",) then yes, we agree, but we have evidence of them killing some civilians, you can't just say "zero".
And, honestly, compared to what Israel did before&after it's not much. Of course for the western medias it's an irrecoverable trauma, we can spin things how we want, ignoring the victim's point of view while only presenting the tormentor's grievances.
And if you ask them, they'll say that they've exposed the palestinian suffering, while most of it stays hidden except on social medias(, who have to be "regulated"). But i'll admit that the western media coverage could have been worse, and won't deny that it shifted its critical stance towards Israel after a while.

while preparing under the nose of the most advanced surveillance state in history

I.d.k., perhaps, but at the same time they trained with paragliders, Egypt even warned Israel in advance. The theory that Israel let it happen because it gave them a cassus belli doesn't seem that foolish either, who knows...

In any case Oct.7th wasn't much compared to the deaths of these past decades, and the palestinian cause wouldn't have been much more advanced without it, we(sterners) are just letting the number of illegal colonies grow with the time while claiming that we support a "two-states solution".

It's probably not your thing to think about Israel's interests, but what solution would please both sides in your opinion and stop this destruction ? Again, no point in arguing for a solution that Israel would refuse, there are more than one option that could please both sides, even if people aren't discussing them. It's probably a useless question to ask you, but it seems to me that this question is more pertinent than every other discussion we could have.

• There's the option of giving western territories to palestinians and israelis in exchange for a third of the current territory Israel+Palestine(, while muslims keep a third and jews another third), which could be accepted if the territories offered are worth it, it could bring our cultures closer to each other, and would be accompanied with billions of dollars for palestinians through a one-time global tax, etc.
• There's the option of a common territory, with a dual governance and a control of the number of jews and muslims.
• There's the option of jewish people embracing islam and keeping each of their books and traditions by simply becoming a specific sect of islam with their many particularities, promising to align themselves with the interest of the muslim community etc., they'd gain more population/power and territories that they could ever get through this alliance
• There are weirder options like giving an extraterrestrial territory, such as Mars, to muslims in order to compensate for the loss of the sacred lands, but promises are cheap anyway.
• I could probably find 3-4 more if i look into my memories/'past notes', but i'd be interested in what solutions you could find that, once again, could please both sides according to you.

Thanks in advance if you're interested in this less pointless task than a discussion on Oct.7th