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Absolutely braindead take.
I love seeing Christians defend capitalism.
Leviticus 25:35 'Now in case a countryman of yours becomes poor and his means with regard to you falter, then you are to sustain him'
Matthew 19:24 'Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.'
Proverbs 31:9 'Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.'
2 Corinthians 8:13-14 'For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness.'
Luke 3:11 And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
Jesus was a brown socialist.
Oh look, a bullet list of out-of-context Biblical verses being used by an atheist who doesn't understand what any of them means to dunk on people who he assumes has values that he, himself, does not care about.
Please provide context that proves me wrong, then.
And I didn't assume anything about your values. I literally copied and pasted quotes directly from the Bible. I'm calling out your good old fashioned Christian hypocrisy.
In fact, you've made the only assumptions. Somehow, quoting the Bible and supporting socialism makes me an atheist? And you assume atheists have no values, or at least couldn't possibly share values with Christians.
Do you believe morality comes only from God? If so, where are the radical atheist terrorists? Unholy wars? Secular persecution?
Okay, so what's the context then?
Educate me.
He doesn't know, he has probably never actually read the Bible.
Jesus was not a socialist, and literally nobody who accepts Him as their savior has ever given 1/3 of a shit what color He is.
Uh, considering that he was against the accumulation of wealth that is essential to the functioning of a capitalist or protocapitalist society, like the Roman market economy, and clearly also opposed to the control of traditional regional elites, I'm not sure how you can see him as anything other than a socialist? Or more accurately, a primitive communist.
I can give you a long list of Christians, modern and historical, who absolutely give a shit which color he is. Generally they fall pretty heavily on the side of "Of course Jesus was white"
Oh but they didn't actually accept him as their savior.
No true Christian...
Jesus wasn't "against the accumulation of wealth," as you put it, nor "against the control of traditional regional elites" for its own sake. If that's what you took from it, you aren't looking, which is expected. Jesus didn't have a prescription for any particular economic model.
Perhaps you can come up with a list of people who care or cared what color Jesus was, but it's an extremely short list compared to the list of people who don't, and so it's disingenuous to pretend like the average Christian cares.
If you go around America saying "Jesus wasn't white, FYI," you'll get a resounding "I don't care," the vast majority of the time.
If you go around Mexico saying "Jesus wasn't white, FYI," you'll get a resounding "I don't care," the vast majority of the time.
If you go around China saying "Jesus wasn't white, FYI," you'll get a resounding "I don't care," the vast majority of the time.
You, uh, wanna remind me what's easier than a rich man getting into heaven?
I can launch into a lecture about the relation of Iudean sects with the Christian Gospels and how the environment of Roman Iudea of that period influenced the writing of both Christ's views as expressed in the Gospels and Paul's epistles if you like. I'm looking plenty. I've looked plenty.
... insofar as he wasn't a polisci philosopher, sure? But the values expressed are pretty unambiguously against the contractual-redistributive method of Iudean elites and against the proto-capitalist accumulation of wealth by Roman elites. This is not abnormal for pre-modern populists, but it is certainly anti-capitalist in the sense that the basic premise that the arguments are founded on are directly and explicitly contrary to the basic ideas of capitalism, due to the fact that such pre-modern populists are generally attempting to address and appeal to an agrarian and deeply communal audience.
You're fooling yourself, guy. There are a hell of a lot of racists still around, and racists definitely care what color their savior is.
Wealth is a stumbling block for many, and Christ warns of that. That does not set Christ against money, and it doesn't make the possession of money evil. It doesn't make money evil.
According to Megyn Kelly, Jesus was white.
Megyn Kelly is a ding-dong. I don't know if you noticed this, but she's a TV "journalist." Nothing any of them say should be taken seriously.
You know, you're right. He was much closer to a Communist.
Communism necessitates taking, by force, that which does not belong to you. Jesus was absolutely nothing like a communist.
Lord have mercy.
No, it does not.
Read a book.
Books are communist /s
You mean like souls?
Jesus predates Socialist values, they just happen to overlap so many times that it's colloquial shorthand
The New Testament as a whole espouses a kind of 'primitive communism' that has roots in the society of Ancient Israelite tribes. Very social capital, gift economy kind of behavior. I mean, look at the tale of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts.