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[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (28 children)

Sorry to hear about dubvee.org shutting down.

Another harsh reminder that admin burnout is real, and that unfortunately choosing an instance with a team of multiple admins willing to keep going is probably very important as community builders.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (27 children)

Yeah, well, maybe if I felt like I wasn't the only one around here taking a stand against extremism, violent rhetoric, and toxic behavior, things could have played out differently and I could have pushed on. You can't place the blame on just having a single admin - that may be one factor, but becoming completely demoralized from the lack of support from most other admins/instances was the real cause. This is a wide-ranging problem, and a single small instance (let alone a single admin) cannot solve it alone.

Sorry not sorry - For the next 2 weeks I'm in "captain going down with his ship" mode and I'm not holding back on what I think about this place, what it's become, and where it's heading. Two years ago, we had the tools, motive, and opportunity to make something truly better here, and we failed.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

You're not going to find a sympathetic ear from the mods of this community (believe me I've tried, oh have I tried) but I understand where you're coming from and agree. The Lemmy network in general is comprised of a lot of people who are here (I'm sorry to say) because they are too poorly socialized even for reddit, and there are too few mods/admins in the overall network are who know what it means to be the adult in the room. The result is that most places with authentic activity are too toxic for "normies" and the places willing to enforce something as simple as good manners are quieter.

I still believe a critical mass of more ah, well-adjusted people can improve the culture, but that day gets further and further away as long as the existing culture remains in the state it is in.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 14 hours ago

Yep, yep, and yep to all of that, and some of it I've said for over a year and was dismissed with "just give it time".

The Lemmy network in general is comprised of a lot of people who are here (I'm sorry to say) because they are too poorly socialized even for reddit,

I've always referred to that as the "elephant in the ~~room~~ fediverse". But yeah, I fully agree that's definitely a major contributing factor to the current environment. I even made a joke post about it the other day: https://dubvee.org/post/3789665

Here's the gist of the post to save you a clickTitle: "We are not the same"

The first 6-12 months here (during/right after the Reddit API drama) were great. After that....not so much.

I still believe a critical mass of more ah, well-adjusted people can improve the culture, but that day gets further and further away as long as the existing culture remains in the state it is in.

Like I said in my shutdown/meta post, I want the concept of the fediverse to succeed. I really do. But exactly as you just said (and others have said and I have said), the more well-adjusted people need to arrive in a critical mass, and I don't feel there's an environment here to welcome them let alone attract them or entice them to stick around. Maybe that will change. I hope it does, but I'm not optimistic enough to stick around and find out.

I do feel we started out on the right foot back in mid 2023, but as we've grown, we've just turned into a refuge for people who have proven too toxic to remain anywhere else.

At the end of the day, aside from the people like you, ValueSubtracted, and other friendly ~~faces~~ names I've come to enjoy seeing around these last couple years, I'm going to miss the idea of this place far more than the place itself.

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