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Lawyers for the plaintiff argue that Tesla’s driver-assistance feature called Autopilot should have warned the driver and braked when his Model S sedan blew through flashing red lights, a stop sign and a T-intersection at nearly 70 miles an hour in the April 2019 crash. Tesla lays the blame solely on the driver, who was reaching for a dropped cell phone.

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[–] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 40 points 2 days ago (16 children)

The driver, George McGee, was sued separately by the plaintiffs. That case was settled.

Good. Fuck that driver. Unless the "flashing red lights"; "a stop sign"; and a "T-intersection" were all on the same junction (or even if they weren't), scrambling for a poxy phone while you're propelling a tonne of metal at 70mph is a fucking disgraceful excuse.

That said, as much as I hate Musk, I can't really see if this case has any legs to be fair. FSD is always "coming next year" so it's little more than a driver aid rather than a driver substitute.

But yeah, fuck that guy.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

while you’re propelling a tonne of metal

The Model S weighs 2 tonnes in fact, or 2.2 US tons. Electric cars are insanely heavy, so much so that existing traffic safety items like guard rails aren't really designed to handle the heavier ones.

Not sharing to be Pedantic Internet User, just mind-boggling how heavy those things are.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Guard rails can’t handle two tons?

Pickup up trucks weigh between 4 and 6 tons.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

It was just an overblown article trying to fear monger. A guard rail can't handle a direct, perpendicular impact from something that heavy at a high rate of speed, but most guard rails are parallel to the road and only see glancing blows from EVs, ICE vehicles, and semis.

[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 2 points 14 hours ago
[–] PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

yeah nah absolutely happy for the correction!

Fuck me, two tonnes? I bought myself an EV a few months back in an estate shape to replace my diesel estate, and honestly I hadn't noticed much of a difference. I assume the drivetrains are a bit lighter but the batteries are a lot heavier than a tank full of dino juice.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Actually, this is one of the arguments for discouraging EV mass adoption in favor of wider public transit options. More heavy vehicles like this seriously increases wear and tear on roadways, and more importantly BRIDGES. If most of your bridge traffic now weighs double what it did when you threw the thing up in the 80s, that's going to be an issue for your stress calculations.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I believe the Hummer EV is around 9,000lbs.

We were just at Pearl Harbor and the submarine on display there had batteries weighing in at 450,000lbs and that only propelled it for ~100 miles depending on the speed. The diesel engines could propel it for 18,000 miles before refueling. This was of course 1940s technology.

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