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[–] tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Reality is the dominant factor in mental illness. Exposure to abuse, lack of care, and poverty: Thats what gets people down and sends others into desperation. Those who are struggling most cant afford diagnoses and they cant afford pills. Assigning blame for the conditions we live under is another can of worms.

As for Eeyore, he just needs to get nailed more 😈 #

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Those who are struggling most cant afford diagnoses and they cant afford pills.

This is only true in the USA. Importantly, treatment is not a cure.

[–] mriswith@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Importantly, treatment is not a cure.

A lot of people put too much faith in curing some things that aren't really "fixable".

I know someone who started having suicidal thoughts as a kid. They admitted themselves to a mental hospital in their teens, got diagnosed, tried some medicine and treatement. And almost three decades later they still have those thoughts regularly.

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

30mg of Prozac every morning and my opinion on life still hasn’t changed - it’s like watching a shit movie in a crowded theater and you really just want to leave, but you also don’t want to disturb those around you on your way out.

The meds definitely help, though. Instead of being in the deep end of the depression pool and sinking, now it’s more like standing waist deep in the shallow end. Firm footing, but there’s only so much you can do about fucked up brain chemistry.

[–] mriswith@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I've sadly heard similar stories most of my life. For many people it makes things better, but it can also make things "boring". They don't get the severe down periods, but it can also make it difficult to experience the highs of enjoyment.

[–] desertdruid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

I think there are several countries where people can't afford diagnoses or pills that are not the USA.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Oh thank whatever god you enjoy that's only true in the USA.

[–] tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am going to guess you are from New Zealand?

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Australia, but the same is true for basically every developed country apart from the US to varying degrees.

[–] Wildmimic@piefed.social 13 points 2 days ago

To give you a glimpse into your "name buddy" Austria:

Waiting time for a therapist which is completely covered by insurance is counted in years, and if you choose one of the therapists which are not completely covered, you pay somewhere between 100-150€/h and get refunded 30€/h after getting it approved.

This leaves me personally with a hole in my pocket of 300-375€ depending on the month, which is my second largest expense after rent.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Uhhh mental health care is bloody expensive.

10 rebated sessions a year ain’t shit, and an actual diagnosis can cost thousands and thousands.

Australia is barely any better than America when it comes to teeth and brains.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

If you're on NDIS, you may be able to get psychology covered by that. But that's a long shot, as 1) it's hard to get on NDIS and 2) you have to be eligible to get psychotherapy funding. source: Getting psychology through NDIS

Maybe true for teeth, but to say it's not better for brains just shows you've never had to spend time in a ward in either country. Keeping in mind that you can get sectioned in the US and come out of it with tens of thousands of medical debt when you had no choice in the matter.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 days ago

I have universal care. I was not diagnosed until my 50's. It's not just poverty, it's not realizing there is an underlying something to your misery/behavior.

[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Look into radical psychology, if you haven't.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Critical psychologists believe that mainstream psychology fails to consider how power differences and discrimination between social classes and groups can impact an individual's or a group's mental and physical well-being. Mainstream psychology does this only in part by attempting to explain behavior at the individual level. However, it largely ignores institutional racism, postcolonialism and deficits in social justice for minority groups based on differences in observable characteristics such as gender, ethnicity, religious minority, sexual orientation, or disability.

TIL

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

this sounds radical until you realize that "reality" being a factor in mental health is like saying "air is a factor in breathing."

although I guess the opposite would be fantasy, that fantasy is a problem in mental health, which... well, it is! but fantasies are also just another part of our reality (and a significant one at that)

maybe this is challenging the folk wisdom of "my brain is broken, chemical imbalance" and while I'm sure that would spark lovely debates over nature-nurture / mind-body, the boring truth is always this: it's a combination of factors

as far as those struggling most: i work with that population, and thank IRS for Medicaid, they actually can afford Dx and Rx. the real trouble is their medically recognized mental health disorder (SUD) is literally a fucking crime, and the local govt pays its bill through recidivism fees.