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[–] fubo@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

There is no system of governance or economy among humans that you wouldn't reject, if you reject every one in which wrongdoing takes place or people enrich themselves unjustly.

That's my point. "I reject capitalism because people can benefit themselves by doing injustice within it" is dopey, because that predicate is not unique to capitalism; in fact it's universal. In every system of the world, people can benefit themselves by doing injustice within that system.

Therefore, the person who reasons this way would reject any conditions under which they might find themselves living.

Whatever "reject" means here, I'm not entirely sure.

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Regulation is still useful. You're basically arguing for anarchy with your naive take. When a system advances the idea to exploit people, the system is fundamentally flawed. Will all systems have abuse? Sure. But that doesn't mean "you will dislike all systems, so it's irrelevant if one is better or worse."

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"I reject capitalism because people can benefit themselves by doing injustice within it"

No, we oppose capitalism because it inherently ENCOURAGES people to benefit themselves by doing injustice. That's a crucial difference.

In every system of the world, people can benefit themselves by doing injustice within that system.

It's equally true that people can be violently bigoted against religious, racial and sexual minorities in every system, but only a few actively ENCOURAGE them to.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And what makes capitalism superior to any other form of resource distribution that humanity has tried so far is not that it does or doesn't allow greed, but it lets the greedy use their greed in a way that has at least the potential to benefit the many. And by having a legal avenue for greed to be used, capitalism forces greed to the surface and makes it legal for everyone to discuss.

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh yeah, we’re all feeling that trickle down any day now.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are missing the point. EU countries also have capitalism and they are far better off. It's not capitalism that sets taxation laws or anti-trust laws, those are what has failed in the US. In the EU, while not perfect, those types of laws are more rigorous and in turn those countries suffer less from corruption and injustice.

[–] Marsupial@quokk.au 1 points 1 year ago

Not everyone is American.

Also capitalism is still ticking up the EU, there’s a reason they have to constantly fight against it just to ensure the most basic of freedoms for its citizens.