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EDIT BEINGS HERE
So I actually watched a talk by the person who coinded "enshittification", Cory Doctorow, recently, and I have changed my perspective about Kagi. I no longer think Kagi is doomed to enshittify.
Enshittification requires advertisers. As long as Kagi finances itself with money that does not come from advertisers, it will not enshittify.
This does not mean that it's not problematic that their code is closed-source.
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I like what I hear about the user experience, but there are many problems I see with the service.
For one, it's based in the USA, so it is legally subject to the insane, antidemocratic, and awful state surveillance there.
It is also a corporation, so it is subject to enshittification. Currently, it is giving users loads of stuff so that users use it, but sooner or later investors will want their money back and Kagi will enshittify.
Finally, these two problems would be mitigated by open-sourcing and making libre their software. With that, alternatives in more sensible legislatures could open. Users could migrate to instances that are still libre and not enshittified.
It is really unfortunate that Kagi is doing so many things well while doing some fundamental things terribly. As it stands, Kagi is doomed to enshittify.
What's wrong with simply switching as soon as enshittification starts? You're not making any permanent commitments to it.
https://kagi.com/privacy at least sounds pretty good.
https://blog.kagi.com/safe-round this sound good as well.
The part that I don't get is how they can match Google in terms of search results quality when Microsoft couldn't even get close with Bing and a heck of a lot more time and money.
Easy. Kagi cares about the quality of their product giving you the customer good results. Their product is a search engine. Google doesn't care to make their search engine better currently. Their product is ad placement and sales. You are not their customer.
Kagi already exceeds Google at being a search engine, at this time.
Don't think you will find a better search engine than Kagi. They can't even see what queries users are running, according to their own comments.
That'd be weird if they couldn't, there's no way they can improve their search engine other than by watching the way users use it.
Otherwise it exists in a vacuum.
I would guess they mean that they can't see which queries belong to which users.
There is no law in the requiring data logging in the US, nor is it required to comply with FBI security data requests. and beat out gag orders over the subject. It is also deemed a violation of the first amendment.