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Things have gotten better and progress has been made from times past, it just seems worse now because we have more access to information. We've come far, and have further to go!

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[–] chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Celebrating and taking pride in what has been achieved is part of what motivates people to defend it. Doomposting online does nothing to motivate people and merely depresses them.

Every inch of progress has been won through a combination of a rhetoric of hope for what could be achieved, and a recognition of the shortcomings of the current system. Having the former without the latter leads to complacency, but having the latter without the former leads to apathy and despair.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Considering that most progress in the last few hundred years has been fought for (sometimes violently), like weekends, the 8 hour day, etc. kinda proves you wrong.

[–] chumbalumber@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And it was fought for by people who had hope for what could be achieved, and crucially used that to unite working people.

I'm not arguing for complacency; I'm arguing that labour movements work best when they are pushing for clearly defined goals (like an 8 hour work week), and the labour movement should honour those that gave their lives for the cause in those doomed strikes at Homestead, Blair Mountain, or Pullman.

[–] Prunebutt@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

Great, I agree! ... But unfortunately, OP used data fragments that IMHO promote complacency (i.e. general "progress") instead of celebrating victories of social movements.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Celebrating the achievements made in the past while obliterating them in the present is nothing more than white washing the problems people face. Like the record numbers of homeless seniors.