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If you deleted religion would conservatism even survive a few generations?
Have you like looked at Japan or any communist country. Japan is 62% non-religious and is highly social conservative. Czechia is the least religious country in the world but they also obviously have a conservative politics.
It's not that they're not religious. They just don't pick only one. As they say, "Born Shinto, married Christian, die Buddhist"
I love that quote, that's so accurate. Especially with how many funerary schools are primarily Buddhist in Japan along with the vast majority of their burials. It's actually uncommon for a mortician to prepare a body for a wake.
I had a Japanese boss tell me the state religion of Japan is “being Japanese”. That struck me as being so very true during my few months living there.
It's a very regimented culture, isn't it? Everything guided by ceremony and tradition, you'd think half of it was religious in nature.
Could be remnants from past religious values and teachings?
This says Japan has at least 70% of the population following religious practices in 2019?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/237609/religions-in-japan/
There are always going to be people who like how things are or who preferred how things were, regardless of whether it was actually good for them or not.
That isn't what political conservatism means though. Political conservatism is running the government into the ground infavor of private business interests while also villifying minority groups and idolizing authoritarian.
It has nothing to do with being conservative about changes.
Well, it's supposed to be about conservative changes.
But instead it's exactly as you described.
You are describing Neoconservative and/or Trumptard "conservative" policies. In the political textbooks, Conservative does mean the ones who want to preserve traditional ways of doing things, conserving money by reducing wasteful spending, conserving our military forces by not engaging in wars of foreign intervention.
That type of textbook Conservative is a lot harder to find in government since 9/11 happened and turned America into the shit version that we have now.
But it's religion that brainwashes a huge portion of them to blindly follow and obey even when it hurts them or isn't good for them.
Take away religion and the conservative base vanishes. They wouldn't be able to win elections.
Religion no longer blocks the way to progress, things improve, people don't get sucked into the conservative rabbit hole the same way.
Slowly but surely, at least what we consider conservatives today and in the past would cease to exist.
I wouldn't be so confident that the removal of religion would be such a panacea for humanity. These social structures developed for a reason and things would likely appear to fill the vacuum. People already raise up companies and cults of personality in place of formal religion as it is. Even just being a republican party supporter has a certain degree of cult like devotion.
If your view of a conservative is a person of deep religious conviction, then sure, I guess.
In other words, humans love to simp.
Humans collectively have a lot of pent up craziness, angst, and existential terror... and it's got to go somewhere.
I don't think all conservatives are deeply religious, but it's the religious that prop them up. So much hate and death in human existence stems from religion. That hate breeds hate even outside the religious, quickening its spread.
If it was gone, humanity would finally be able to begin the healing process.
I have no qualms about the dissolution of religious structures, but I feel like you're underestimating humanity's ability to self-sabotage when envisioning such a rose tinted portrayal of a post-religion society.
Maybe I am, but maybe we should just abolish that first and see how things go before also abolishing conservatives.
Are we talking about active abolition...? You want to just say "no religion anymore" to any and every person you consider religious?
"I'm kind of spiritual sometimes..." may lead to some grey areas. Surely secular education and encouragement is the key.
Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore.
It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others.
It would be a serious blow at minimum