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What's with the schism between lemmygrad and beehaw?
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I can share the perspective of why I joined beehaw instead of the other services.
I used to be on the side of free-speech maximalists, but after seeing communities crumble because of toxicity driving out people, I also came to see the same problems with social media that the beehaw folks see.
On anon/pseudo anon places, the social structure to correct anti-social behavior does not exist like in real life. So to create an environment that’s tolerable to the majority of people, you have to isolate and punish the bad actors.
I’m past the age where i want to be spending time on things and places where people are hateful and mean all the time.
Freedom of speech is never freedom of consequence. And if that consequence is that nobody wants to listen to you, well that's on you.
Freedom of speech is by definition freedom from consequence for speech.
"Yeah you can criticize glorious leader, you have free speech. You'll just spend the rest of your life unemployable and die/in a gulag"
Nobody is implying that a lack of freedom of speech means they put a gag on your face preventing you from speaking. A lack of freedom of speech means harsh consequences for speech.
Freedom of speech is from consequences from the government. That means you cannot be prosecuted for insulting politicians for example. But you can certainly be sued in civil court for the same thing.
You are 100% incorrect and are confusing the first amendment of the united states with the concept of freedom of speech.
Why is the government special? Are you implying powerful corporations can't deprive people of rights or oppress people? That is very incorrect and there is a mountain of evidence for this. Are you implying that communities can't or haven't shunned people and ruined their lives for saying reasonable or true things? That is very incorrect and there is a mountain of evidence for this.