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This is a large part of why I don't pay much attention to the whole topic of climate change - because at this point, it's already inevitable.
There isn't sufficient political will to do anything meaningful about it, and that's historically most of the problem, but at this point, it doesn't matter anyway. The Earth's climate is such an enormous and complex system that it has significant inertia - much more than we have force with which to counter it quickly enough to make any meaningful difference.
So what's going to happen, no matter what, is that the climate is going to change fairly drastically, and with profound and far-reaching consequences.
The planet itself will be fine. It can and will adjust, and in fact, has already gone through similar phases. High carbon content and higher average temperatures just means more plant growth.
Whether humanity survives or not is less certain, but I expect we will.
First though, we're going to have to wake up to the problem, and unfortunately, the only thing that's going to wake wnough people up is for it to be so serious that the politicians can't lie about it, and the people can't ignore it.
And it will be.
I disagree with this take. The effects of climate change are not binary.
There is no doubt that we are feeling the effects of man-influenced climate change. However, that does not mean that we should just give up. There is a difference between +1.5c and +2.0c. It is a fight worth fighting for.
The reason why you don't pay attention to the topic of climate change is because you do not give 2 shits and/or are not willing to change your ways and make any sacrifice.
I am sorry but it seems to me that you are misinformed.
The issue is not about the survivability of the planet or of humanity...
Why do you assume they aren't doing their best to prevent climate change, just because the don't consume every thinkpiece that goes around?
And nobody said they are.
I said that inertia means that they're already inevitable and that the only thing that's going to wake sufficient people up is if the consequences are so dire that the politicians can no longer lie about them and the people can no longer ignore them. That's just the way it is.
And yet a significant number of people continue to believe that it doesn't even exist.
That's part of my point.
You can't even convince them that it exists. What on earth leads you to believe you can convince them that it not only exists, but could get worse?
Unfortunately, there's only one thing that will convince them it exists and potentially spur them to action, and that's if the effects become so pronounced that it's literally impossible for them to deny it (and for the politicians to lie about it). And at this point, already, inevitably, the consequences are going to get that bad. That too is part of my point.
Fuck you. You don't know the first fucking thing about me.
I said exactly what I believed and why, but you've chosen to effectively call me a liar and accuse me of just being yet another self-absorbed piece of shit.
Seriously - fuck you.
I think you underestimate how popular taking action to stop climate change is. Even in places like Texas, it has super-majority support. The idea that it is a controversial issue is just made up to feed into climate apathy.