THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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RULES
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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Having a bodycam off should be a 3rd degree felony & grounds for termination.
I once got downvoted to oblivion on Reddit for saying I'd rather some person have to see a cops dick out when they piss (through video) than see another case where a cop turns his bodycam off during an encounter.
They should never be turned off and I agree it should be instant prison time no questions asked.
Nothing should be instant prison time no questions asked. That’s not justice that’s vengeance.
Cops should be held to a higher standard.
That doesn’t mean having no trial
The people they shoot don't get a trial
Do you want to improve things, or just get vengeance? Your mindset is the same mindset that got us in this situation, it’s the same mindset that has been used to allow things like that to happen.
Incorrect and wrong and also I am stronger than you and could beat you in a fight
My dads stronger than your dad
I think our dad's should kiss
My grandpa's been dead for decades and he could still beat your dad and everyone else in this thread and their dads too.
I think the latter comments in this thread are satire, but I wanted to defend dad and gramps. :)
If you look at my comment history it's mostly dumb satire that sometimes lands and often doesn't lmao
Your batting average is better than mine.
Even the very worst bad guys, even if they're cops, deserve a fair trial, and a safe stay at a non-barbarous prison with a chance for rehabilitation.
See the difference is we're supposed to hold these people to higher standards. If they fuck up the punishment should be more extreme and their actions should be heavily scrutinized. If they can kill someone with little to no evidence they should be just as susceptible to losing everything with even the slightest fuck up.
You have to take the emotion out of it when making decisions like that. If you don’t, you end up in the exact same spot
As long as there is a 3rd party review process to filter out background people in restrooms and other sensitive areas to avoid getting random people in trouble because a cop was present with a camera on.
You know, like a 10 year old using a urinal.
That shouldn't be hard to achieve
It's very, very hard to achieve something they're trying not to.
Off or purposely blocked by their hand for more time than can be considered a reasonable accident should be a crime and immediate ban from law enforcement for life.
I believe CO already requires juries to assume malfeasance if the body cam's off