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[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah, I forgot, Hamas simply had to rape a bunch of women and butcher 200 people at a festival. That's just what righteous resistance looks like.

Or perhaps childish quips aren't actually useful in a productive conversation, who knows

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

My point was that Israel cannot offload to Hamas all responsibility for the suffering to civilians caused by blockading Gaza. It's Israel's choice to react like this. I understand Israel's reasons for taking this extreme action, but Israel should take responsibility for it, not pretend it was forced into this and it has to keep starving civilians until Hamas capitulates. And of course I'm not condoning the atrocities committed by Hamas.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Easy for you to talk about what's righteous or not when it's not your land being apartheided

They unfortunately don't have the luxury of a fair war.

Israel made this bed now they're going to lay in it whether any of us like it or not and I think it's atrocious but Israel needs to bear some blame for this.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll say this one more time. Nothing about fighting oppression requires you to rape and murder civilians. There are plenty of military bases all around Gaza if Hamas wanted to focus on military targets.

If you think that fighting oppression requires you to rape and murder innocent people, you deserve you oppression.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

I will not say that Hamas did anything ethical, it was morally deplorable. But at the same time, unless we tackle the underlying issues of Israeli apartheid, we are begging for people in Palestine to view members of Hamas as freedom fighters as opposed to savages. Israel is creating this problem.

The quickest way to disassemble Hamas is to give the Palestinian people justice and humanity.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not raping and murdering civilians is not white privilege you morally bankrupt walnut.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

I am not morally justifying their actions, I'm saying that Israel is responsible for creating the environments in which terrorists can rise. We learned nothing from our wars in the Middle East.