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[–] De_Narm@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago (49 children)

I never got this. They say he is omnipotent, therefore he does not perceive time in a linear way like we do. He knows everything that ever was, is and will be all at once. So there is not much to test here. Either he does the things needed to make me a believer or he doesn't. It's his choice and not mine. Free will is meaningless here, even if it does exist, he does already knows my choice before I make it or he is not omnipotent.

[–] joseangel@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (7 children)

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As an atheist I take issue with Epicurus statement, which gets floated around a lot. I think it's because in Epicurus's framing of the universe evil has agency, whereas christian apologetics will respond with evil representative of a lack of goodness. Then there's the issue of free will to contend with.

[–] ThisGuyFromThatPlace@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I follow. If you see evil as "a lack of goodness", the argument stand. If he's benevolent, why is goodness not everywhere?

[–] TheFonz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I mean, the answer I've heard from apologetics is the benevolence is a paternal type of benevolence. Kind of like a parent who will let their child touch a hot stove so as to not deprive them of free will. I'm probably doing a terrible steel man of the position because I don't quite buy it

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