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Please explain meme for us who aren't this well versed in history
It's a meta meme. There are a few popular memes out there showing the divide between "Potato Europe" and "Tomato Europe"
But this one is showing neither because it predates their arrival in Europe, I guess.
finally, Ireland is made whole
Potato and tomato were native to the American continent.
But how did Italians make their pizzas? :(
Youtuber Max Miller did an episode on ancient pizza in which he attempts to recreate a Roman pizza based on a fresco from Pompeii and a poem usually attributed to Virgil. He went with cheese, dates, pomegranate seeds, and a sauce similar to pesto. Which honestly sounds great to me
This makes me think that ancient Romans would absolutely put pineapples on pizza if they had access to them
They were the real barbarians all along
If I wasn't allergic to pomegranate, I'd try to make that.
They probably used peppers.
Aren’t peppers native to America too
I think I missed the joke
Flammkuchen
With left beef
This makes my whole life feel like a lie, I really do associate tomatoes with southern Europe and potatoes with northern Europe
Neither existed in Europe back then. I'm not sure if there is another reference to that exact date I'm missing
América was discovered by Colon in 1492 and bring the first potato and tomato seeds to Europe
I'm pretty sure he didn't discover it, what with people having lived there for tens of thousands of years.
I discovered a new restaurant last week. It's been around for decades but it was new to me. I can't remember the first time I tasted a tomato or potato, but to the Europeans it must have been amazing! And don't forget chocolate!
You are correct about the thriving and ancient civilizations in the "New World" of course. Getting olives and oranges and figs, even horses, doesn't feel like enough compensation for what happened to them...
I never got this semitic discussion. I can discover a cabin in a forest or a store in a city but Columbus can't discover a continent because he wasn't the first one who discovered it?
As far as I care, "discovered" is in relation to cartography, at which point most societies know of it and its location.
Anything else is just pathetic semantics that could go back through evolution and the chronology of Earth's continents and geography. No one wants that except a couple of Actually Guys.
Well then you can't go with Columbus. Basically no one in Asia or Africa knew what he did, let alone both of the Americas and Australia. So unless you define Europe as the only place with societies, Columbus doesn't even come close.
I would change this to "a society" so Columbus discovered America for the European society while other societies already knew it or still didn't
Sorry. Did I say I was "going with Columbus"?
This would have more merit if he ever set foot in North America. He landed in the Bahamas. It’s technically part of the North American tectonic plate, but so is part of Iceland.
Because America is only North America?
Yes moron, that is colloquially what it means
And there is no causal relation between the discovery of these
Edit: Also: the meme is about potatoes and tomatoes which come from around central America. They aren't USA exports. The meme is about the discovery of America as in the Americas
He didn't introduce potatoes or tomatoes to Europe either, that happened decades later.
But as a consequence
By this reasoning it was actually the Queen of Spain that 'discovered' the Americas, potatoes, and tomatoes.
It was Columbus who thought the earth is small enough to circuit it
And it doesn't matter, because what is up for dispute is what people mean when they say America. Which is North America, regardless of the actual facts. That's what colloquial means
Pay attention to what is actually being discussed before running your mouth to make yourself sound smart.
Context matters. When it's about the discovery of America, it's the double continent since north and south America were not discovered separately. They are one landmass
Edit: Also you were the one saying "actually America is Nort America so Columbus didn't discover the real America". Think about the context before trying to sound smart
Not in the real world where U.S.-centric dumbasses live in their own reality and force everyone else to go along with it with guns and nukes.
You and I both know the term America applies to both continents, but to the NPCs, it doesn't. That's literally what colloquialism is -- what NPCs say, and that is what was up for dispute. Not the actual facts of the matter.
No, no, you're clearly confusing me with the other guy because you are angry I called you out on trying and failing to sound smart. Breathe in through your nose, hold 4 seconds, breathe out with your mouth, and read the screen names again.
To be clear: in most cases I too use America synonym with USA but to say "Columbus discovered the USA", well, ...
It's a good thing no one is claiming Columbus discovered the USA then, isn't it?
Or are you that pathetic and desparate to win an argument on the Internet that you need to use that blatant of a strawman?
No one here is fighting or trying to win anything except you. Grow the fuck up.
The argument started when I talked about Columbus discovering America and someone said "he never was in north America". Then you called me a morron for pointing out that America is more than just north America
The gravity was there from the beginning of time, but Newton discovered it.
English is not my first language but as long as you specify for who, you can use discover, like "I discovered this movie last year, it's my new favorite movie since then' and the movie was published 40 years ago.
I thought it was discovered by ship
poo if by sea
Do potato grow from seeds? I thought they just grew from other potato.
Yes, you are right , he brings potatoes and tomatoes seeds, not potatoes seeds and tomatoes seeds
They can be, they're nightshades so they make little tomato-like berries which contain seeds. Usually people just replant potatoes instead because it's easier and they grow faster.
Potatos make tomatos? Now you are just trying to confuse me.