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[–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (32 children)

My main problems with EVs is that they don't reduce car dependency and the upfront manufacturing environmental cost of making them do not make them more eco friendly across their lifespan (especially with the trend of bigger and heavier cars). Car manufacturers are just jumping on the bandwagon to keep cars relevant in the mind of the consumer and clean their image of more obvious pollutants such as gas and oil.

Electric cars will just perpetuate all the other problems with cars, while tricking consumer into thinking they're making an environmentally sound choice and clean their conscience. There was still a giant environmental cost to making them, children still mined lithium for them, tyre rubber will still fill the lungs of people, etc etc.

[–] Staccato@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (6 children)

EVs start their life with a higher environmental burden than ICE vehicles, but the math comes out so that the burden becomes lower after between 15k-20k miles.

By the end of life of an EV, they are more eco friendly than an ICE vehicle of similar build.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The number of miles varies a lot depending on the source of electricity but it goes up to 50k if it's from burning coal IIRC

[–] Staccato@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Which, over the lifetime of the car, is still a win environmentally. Modern cars are estimated to last for 200k miles, and electric vehicles are believed capable of enduring for 300k miles (although most models are too new to really prove that with data).

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