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I thought this was an onion article and Baldwin wouldn't agree to stop playing trump on snl, so they charged him again.
This is literally what happened. Someone took satire personally and it wasn’t even about them.
Worse: they are saying that he, rather than the weapons handler, is somehow responsible as if he should know more than an expert.
He and his production team hired the "expert." They are responsible for vetting and overseeing employees and contractors.
Even if (big if) he's not guilty for pulling the trigger (actors take weapons safety courses), he's completely guilty of negligently surrounding himself with unqualified people in positions that are of life and death importance.
Gross negligence can and should be brought up in a civil case. But criminal law is a different animal. People get killed all the time, but you don't get charged for murder when it's obviously an accident. Even involuntary manslaughter probably has too high a bar for a rich person to get convicted. Remember the afluenza kid?
A weapons safety course doesn't mean anything when it comes to criminal liability on a movie set. All that does is absolve the studio if stupid shit happens because an actor did stupid shit. It was not an actor that did stupid shit here, it was the armorer.
The armorer that Baldwin hired and continued to employ long after she was shown to be ill suited for the job, which made him and the company civilly liable.
Baldwin and the production company already came to a civil settlement with the deceased's family.
Exactly. This should be a civil issue for him, not a criminal one. The criminality screams of it being political.
This is just the Lemmy thread where everybody defends the scummy boss who took shortcuts on his employees safety.
A bus driver who drives a bus trusting the mechanics kept the brakes in working order and runs over someone doesn’t get to blame the mechanics. They’re supposed to pretrip the bus and check that it’s in working order.
A maintenance tech doesn’t get to blame the the operator when the operator tells them an industrial machine has been de-energized after opening it up and getting their partner fried. They’re supposed to verify the system is in fact de-energized.
You shoving a friend out an airplane hatch without a parachute because your sky diving instructor said it was safe…. You don’t get to blame the sky diving instructor.
You don’t get to hold a firearm and blame the person that handed it to you when you fail extremely basic gun safety. Criminal law doesn’t account for job descriptions.
If you pick a firearm, you have a duty of care to handle it in a safe manner, Baldwin didn’t. Further, even if the armrorer said it was safe he should have had prior experience handling fire arms screaming “nuhuh”.
It’s pretty blatantly self evident that Baldwin failed duty of care - evidence exhibit a: the dead body he put in the morgue.
This is literally the opposite of true. We have actually real world cases where airplane engineers fuck up and cause the plane to crash and they are found to be at fault, not the pilots.
Now go back ro truth social you fucking loser.
Confidentlyincorrect post of the year lol.
You just gave an entire list of false equivalencies. That was frankly amazing.
Ok question, how would alec check?
Gubs on a set can very very realistic looking gun shaped objects, same bullets, blanks, dummy rounds, non functional bulleted shaped objects. This is why on movie sets you have firearm experts.
The simplest and surest way is to use a clearing station. basically, they're steel containers with... stuff... inside that the bullet slows and is caught. I've never been to a gun range anywhere that didn't have one... and that model in the link is meant to be portable. For a revolver, you just dry-fire through the cylinder, and maybe an extra time or two to be sure. any live rounds would go off, and somebody would get bitched at, maybe fired... but nobody would be dead. That is, if Baldwin was running a safe set.
Baring that, Colt .45 SAA's are pretty easy to check. You open the loading gate, see the cartridges, so you pull them out and check the cartridges. if you want to check the entire cylinder, the process is fairly simple, and you can see that briefly in this video (which is demonstrating how to carry an antique single action revolver safely. this was the historic method of carry, by the way. And you can see why at the end of video.)
Generally, props are all marked in a variety of ways that indicate- and obviously so, even if it's not obvious to the camera- that they're distinct from real. Cartridges for example are loaded with BB's so they rattle (and frequently will have holes drilled in the side, and used primers so there's a giant divot,) non-firing prop guns come in a large variety of differing levels of functionality, and are usually pretty obvious when you're actively holding it.
And what is better, training everyone on set to tell the differences between all these kinds if bulletes and guns or have a small number of people?
Also which one of those things was not done? The armorer is supposed to check the gun and make sure only the proper type of round is loaded.
I don't get how casual people are with machines designed solely to kill. It may be perfectly a cut and dry case of self defense, but it was designed to kill.
That being said, I am pro 2a generally, though I wish proper handling of firearms was taught at different age levels in school. From elementary where, just no, to high school. Additionally, a better system to screen for mental health issues (of which I might not be able to own a firearm) but that would rely on the US having any sort of infrastructure for mental health care.
My insurance is so shit I could go to a practitioner down the road and pay less, with no insurance taken at all. That's just for mental health.
I like the place I'm at, but the shitty insurance really has me looking.
Of course there is a whole other dialogue on how the US has fallen behind most of the civilized world in medical care, under a variety of parameters - part of that being insurance is tied to your employer. I can accept it or look elsewhere for work.
Interesting that you are pro 2a yet recognize that US healthcare has fallen behind the rest of the civilized world. You probably don’t realize these are related.
As the producer and the actor pulling the trigger, he is ultimately responsible for this. He hired the "professional" who was supposed to make sure there was no live ammo on set, and he was responsible for checking the chamber and magazine before they started the shoot.
If my friend handed me a gun and I pointed it at someone thinking it was empty and killed someone, I would still be charged with at least manslaughter. I don't see how this is any different.
If that was literally their job that they are being paid to do and you were specifically using the gun to film a movie involving you pointing that gun at someone and pulling the trigger under the pretense it was cleared and verified by a professional prior to the filming, they should definitely shoulder some burden.
Arguments can be made about working conditions not being suitable causing mistakes to be made and those conditions were brought on by Baldwin, but then he should be treated almost as two separate people. If it had been a different actor to pull the trigger, would that actor be liable? Would the producer, or whatever role Baldwin had outside of acting, be liable?
If it was a different actors then yes, they should still be held accountable in some way. Anyone who has ever taken even a basic gun safty course knows the first thing you do when you are given a gun is to check the chamber to see if it is loaded every single time.
Every time I go so a shooting range with friends and it is their turn to shoot I place my handgun on the bench unloaded with the chamber/Cylinder open and the mag/rounds next to it. Complacency kills and this movie is a perfect example of extreme negligence from the top down.
False equivalency. Those are completely different situations. This gun was MEANT to be loaded and chambered because THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO FIRE IT IN FRONT OF A CAMERA. But go on with your "oh I'm so good because I know gun safety and am the expert of the experts now reee".
That isn’t a good example because your friend isn’t an expert and didn’t certify its safety prior to handing it to you.
Doesn't matter who hands it too you. People fuck up. That's why these rules are in place. Your argument is bad anyway because it wasn't the armorer that handed it to him. It was an assistant director (who is also not an expert)
As others have explained better than I, you specifically don't follow the same rules on set as you do at a range. Your arguments are empty.
Assuming the rules they use on movies are different he still didn't follow them because the gun was given to him by someone who was not an expert. He should have had the armorer check it before he used it if he was not qualified to do so himself.
lol you admit that you don’t know by then say he’s wrong. I know that your feels are going here but you don’t need to be desperate
Nobody has pointed to a source of what the movies rules actually are so I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. It's beside the point anyway as he himself has already admitted he was wrong by settling the civil case.
Deflection. You don’t know but act like you do.
Anyone that has ever taken even a basic gun safty course knows that 1 you never hand someone a loaded and chambered gun and 2 when you are handed a gun the first thing you do is check to see if it is loaded/chambered.(the real first rule is never point your gun at anything you do t want to destroy but that does not apply to this situation)
This was extreme negligence from top to bottom and if even 1 person on set that day that handled that gun(especially the last peraon to have it the actor) did their job correctly no one would be dead.
The gun was meant to be loaded and chambered because he was supposed to fire it in front of a camera. The problem was that it was a bad blank.
Is your friend a firearms expert who you specifically hired to provide you a safe weapon?
“I don’t see how this is any different”.
Smh