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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by anzich@feddit.de to c/science_memes@mander.xyz
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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like the extended version, though I'm almost certain I saw an even more expanded version somewhere, though I haven't been able to find it again.

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's tough to swallow. Philosophy almost belongs at both ends.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 6 points 1 year ago

No, I mean, I remember there being a further expanded version that adds more steps between social sciences and philosophy. I haven't been able to find it though.

[–] OpenStars@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mathematics is the only branch of science that will continue long after the universe ends.:-)

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Math is literally made up. There is no physical basis for math. Math is just another language used to describe things. The universe doesn't care whether there's "2 particles" or "1 particle and another particle" or "1 particle + 1 particle". It doesn't make these distinctions. Math only exists as long as there is an intelligent species which uses it. If there are no intelligent brains capable of using math and with a knowledge that it exists, math stops existing.

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Math isn't really made up. It's an innate property of the universe at minimum being interpreted by humans as numbers and equations.

It can also literally be what the universe is made of.

PBS Spacetime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F__elfR3w8c

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You mean logic. Math is describing this in formulas. Some even make up nonsense with formulas. Wasn't there a scientific 'proof of god' with flawed logic years ago?

[–] girl@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Except there is math in nature, such as fractals, the Fibonacci sequence, and the wave behavior or sound and light. Sure nature doesn’t have any awareness of doing math, but it is there. Not all math is made up just for our understanding.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's kinda the point though. Math is a language inspired by reality. It describes the logical relationships between things in an abstract format. Physical sciences like physics or chemistry build off it by adding rules and units to more accurately describe or predict real-world relationships, but at the end of the day, it's all made up. Nature isn't doing math to create a fractal any more than you're doing math when you move your fingers or toes. Math doesn't create a fractal, it describes it! You can then use that description to create a fractal, but the fractal isn't math.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

This conversation reminds me of the first couple times i surfed Reddit over a decade ago. It was so cool to be in a place where intelligent and interesting discussion was happening.... Wish i could contribute something useful to it, but i just want to thank you all for carrying that kind of energy into the '20s 🥂

[–] anzich@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically true but most math is motivated by nature

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And it has an awkward syntax. That i can have this opinion at all is already proof of it being made up. Which is applied logic btw.

[–] DarkenLM@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty sure that when humanity dies, math dies with it, and the universe won't give two fucks about it and continue on it's merry way.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Think e meant in the sense that math is true regardless of the universe (or some people believe)

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How in the world did you manage to make that image so small

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They probably copied the url for a thumbnail by mistake.

[–] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I copied the URL from Google. I thought I got the right one. It looks fine on my phone. Must look different on desktop.

[–] girl@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Can anyone read what the next person says?

[–] Motzart@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago
[–] Crul@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Extended version 1 (legible): http://i.imgur.com/WVGF9.jpg

Arranged by complexity: http://i.imgur.com/hDa0P5M.png

Extendend version 2: https://i.imgur.com/POrlDF4.png

Source:

cc @SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone @Zorque@kbin.social @girl@lemm.ee @RedditRefugee69@lemmy.world

Found via reverse image search:

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Extended version 3: an actuarial analyst preparing for another exam connecting the math with the money.