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[–] atk007@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, downvoting cuz of American partisan politics. As a non-american, this whole approach to politics like supporting your fav sports team baffles me. Here in Europe, we try to catch politicians lies, especially when in government. Americans defend their politicians lying to the public. It can't be more bizarre than that. Of course Biden lies with every chance he gets. He is just as rotten as any republican before, but since he is blue (democrat), let's ignore all that lying. Same approach US takes when dealing with Israel.

[–] Rootiest@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Here in Europe, we try to catch politicians lies, especially when in government. Americans defend their politicians lying to the public.

Don't generalize, neither of those are absolutes.

There are plenty lying sacks of shit still in European politics and lots of Americans who don't want it from any of their politicians.

[–] Krono 1 points 11 months ago

In American presidential elections we only get to choose from 2 shitty candidates. Many well intentioned voters view it as a zero-sum game; thus any criticism of Biden is seen as pro-Trump rhetoric.

I agree that Trump is worse than Biden, bit this politics-as-teamsports mentality is a race to the bottom.

Judging by policy, I believe the last left-of-center president was Nixon. He finalized the Civil Rights Act and created the Environmental Protection Agency. He didn't do it because he was a leftist (he wasnt) or because he was a good guy (he wasnt). He did it because he was afraid of the massive protest movement happening at the time.

I wish we could apply this same broad based, mass protest energy to every president including Biden. But America(and Israel) has written the modern anti-protest playbook, and it's super effective. Anti-Iraq war, Occupy Wall Street, George Floyd, etc. were all marginalized and crushed.

It sure feels like things will have to get much worse before they start getting better.