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[–] weirdwallace75@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're more likely to kill yourself or a loved one than a home invader.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/07/guns-handguns-safety-homicide-killing-study

Researchers find ‘zero evidence of any kind of protective effects’, with women at particular risk

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Living with a handgun owner particularly increased the risk of being shot to death in a domestic violence incident, and it did not provide any protection against being killed at home by a stranger, the researchers found.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/

While gun-suicide rates are higher in rural states, which have proportionally more gun owners, the gun-suicide link plays out in urban areas, too. “In the early 1990s, the dramatic rise in young black male suicides was in lock step with the homicide epidemic of those years,” says HSPH’s Deborah Azrael, associate director of the Harvard Youth Violence Prevention Center. “Young black male suicide rates approached those of young white males—though black suicide rates had always been much lower than white suicide rates. It was entirely attributable to an increase in suicide by firearms.” Put simply, the fatal link applies across the board. “It’s true of men, it’s true of women, it’s true of kids. It’s true of blacks, it’s true of whites,” says Azrael. “Cut it however you want: In places where exposure to guns is higher, more people die of suicide.”

[–] cacheson@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also wrong, and not really relevant to my point? I'm not talking about the value proposition of having a gun for dealing with run of the mill crime.

We're (Americans) in a situation where we're faced with an active and armed fascist movement, and those who would oppose that movement have systematically disarmed themselves because "guns bad". What's your plan for when they decide to remind us that "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"?

Don't bother consulting your canned talking points, you actually have to think about this one for yourself.

[–] weirdwallace75@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Not wrong, in that the studies are valid, and completely relevant to your point.

Guns kill their owners far more often than they kill home invaders and other intruders.

[–] astral_avocado@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're far more likely to drown if you own a pool in your backyard. Population level statistic applied to your individual lifestyle choices are meaningless and patronizing.

[–] weirdwallace75@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're completely meaningful and not at all patronizing. (Do you even know what that word means?)