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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 132 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Posting this at top level since its burried in replies:

Fact time. You don't always die when shot, and the US is a baby factory. I can't find good stats on non-lethal gunshot, so I'll do the rest.

Verdict: Pretty accurate.

  • 8.4% without health insurance (33 in 400)
  • 11.5% poverty rate (46 in 400)
  • 20% adults at or below literacy level 1 (80 in 400)
  • 57% mental illness untreated (228 in 400) (requires math from NIH source)

References:

[–] rallatsc@slrpnk.net 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Btw your 20% figure includes those at Level 1 literacy, only 8% are below level 1 (from your source)

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Best I could find:

People with Level 1 Literacy can:

  • Locate one piece of information in a sports article

  • Locate the expiration date on a driver’s license

  • Total a bank deposit entry

People with Level 2 Literacy can:

  • Interpret appliance warranty instructions

  • Locate an intersection on a street map

  • Calculate postage and fees when using certified mail

People with Level 3 Literacy can:

  • Write a brief letter to explain a credit card billing error

  • Use a bus schedule to choose the correct bus to take to get to work on time

  • Determine the discount on a car insurance bill if paid in full within 15 days

People with Level 4 Literacy can:

  • Explain the difference between two types of benefits at work

  • Calculate the correct change when given prices on a menu

People with Level 5 Literacy can:

  • Compare and summarize different approaches lawyers use during a trial

  • Use information in a table to compare two credit cards and explain the differences

  • Compute the cost to carpet a room in a house

[–] szczuroarturo@programming.dev 16 points 2 years ago

A lot of them seem to be mathematical questions

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago

Damn, I’m fairly dumb but I think I could put this on my resume, I’m a lot higher in literacy than I expected.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i can't interpret warranty instructions, but I've done the credit card thing. I also found the phones from the manufacturer that were compatable with my non-international telecommunications service. (I got the first Sony waterproof release in the age of ricepacks)

So I'm... esoteric.

[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

I saw that warranty one and was like, welp, I'm already in trouble.

Then I got down to the lawyer one, and was like hey only lawyers can understand lawyers in court. A lawyer I am not.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 2 years ago

Oh good catch. Will edit.

[–] pine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago

I wanted to test myself to get a sense of what "level one literacy" actually meant but you have to pay to take the test and the OECD already gets enough of my money as is.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Here's a good study on gunshoot statistics thay include nonletal gunshot wounds:

https://www.theactuarymagazine.org/firearm-risk/

[–] Eiim@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Which comes out to about 1/7 of a person in that room being shot per year.

[–] cantsurf@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

But its not as shocking if I say that there are a million people in the room and one gets shot per day! (But I mean, that still seems significant to me.)

In their example, almost everybody is getting shot every year. Happy birthday, BLAM!

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yea, if 1/400 people were shot a day, nearly everyone would have been shot by the time they were 2.

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Quick Google results showed me between 15 and 20% lethality for single GSWs

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That needs an addendum, otherwise it sounds like any GSW is about as lethal as covid19:

Not accounting for suicides and precision shooting, a single GSW is likely an accident, which drives the lethality down considerably. Filter out unintentional single GSWs and I bet the lethality is rather different.

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

This article indicates there's no difference, in fact, and is lower than the conservative percentage I was getting earlier.

[–] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm reading the abstract wrong, but it appears that the article specifically compares single headshots with multiple GSW including a single head GSW. In which case there's no significant difference.

But maybe I'm reading it wrong. I may be biased, because I really want to believe that JimBob shooting himself in the foot cleaning his gun, occurs with a higher frequency and with less mortality, than people shooting to kill.

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

I admit I didn't look deep into that particular article. There are a lot of sources easy to find that show that multiple GSWs are surprisingly not that much more lethal, but they're harder to repair. This one for example which lists 13% for single, and 18% for multiple.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

How convenient, you left out the shooting statistic. It's fucking insanely wrong.

[–] jeffhykin@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's good to see a lot of the statistics are close, and I appreciate the sources.

That said, for a full picture, I think you should mention that the average 20 year old doesn't have 18 gunshot wounds (365 wounds per 400 per year, is about 9.1 wounds per person per decade, or 18.2 wounds per 20 years per person)

So I'd appreciate if you include a bullet point about that.