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The home secretary, Suella Braverman, has described rough sleeping as a “lifestyle choice” while defending her decision to restrict the use of tents by homeless people on the streets of Britain.

According to Whitehall insiders, Braverman plans to crack down on tents that cause a nuisance in urban areas such as high streets – amid growing numbers of rough sleepers and what the government considers a rise in antisocial behaviour.

The home secretary has also proposed the introduction of a civil offence, which could lead to charities being fined if they provide homeless people with tents, the Financial Times reported.

Writing on X, formerly Twitter, Braverman defended her proposals, saying: “The British people are compassionate. We will always support those who are genuinely homeless. But we cannot allow our streets to be taken over by rows of tents occupied by people, many of them from abroad, living on the streets as a lifestyle choice.

“Unless we step in now to stop this, British cities will go the way of places in the US like San Francisco and Los Angeles, where weak policies have led to an explosion of crime, drug-taking, and squalor.

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[–] 01011@monero.town 186 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The UK has one of the most vile governments in the industrialized world.

[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 99 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah. The fact that so many people are ok with this mask off cruelty is astonishing. No one sees the connection between the cost of living and sky high rents leading to an increase in homelessness. No one sees until they are on the streets themselves.

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 64 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a worldwide phenomenon unfortunately.

A bunch of populist shite riling up the masses against people that have it even worse than them, to take away any and all focus from the people that are actually causing all these issues.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eventually the poor will find a leader

[–] MrNesser@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Most people are NOT ok with this. The problem is we have no way to remove the vile cow until a GE.

Sunak is so weak he has to keep her in place to shore up support anyone else would have got rid of her already.

[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Try living in NI and no matter who you vote for in a GE makes fuck all of a difference. In fact even the MPs that do get voted into Westminster can be told to do one and laws can be passed affecting us without our representatives agreeing to it. See the troubles legacy bill which had no support in NI from either community but was passed regardless.

[–] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If most people are not ok with this then explain why the tories have such a death grip on the electorate. Most people in the UK will just shrug their shoulders few will actually have the balls to say they support this. These same people are outraged with Corbyn doesn't sing God save the queen but are alright with literally making giving homeless people tents illegal. Try to suggest any social programme and grandpa will break out the fucking abacus but fuck the homeless I guess.

[–] ThePenitentOne@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago

All you need to know is most people don't give a shit about anything not directly threatening their way of life in immediate terms. Once you understand how pathetic people are, it becomes all the more obvious why things are allowed to be this way and not change. A lot of people don't even care to put in the effort to learn or expand their knowledge of things at all.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

But they were when they voted these people in. I still maintain that if Boris came back, the Tories would probably win again.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gastroendoscopy finds the virulent pustule butt I think they do something else to remove it

Edit: ooh, General Election, my bad

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you think Starmer's neoliberal lot will actually be any different, besides having the mask on more often, I've got a bridge to sell you..

[–] loobkoob@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Even if Starmer and the Labour party were pretty much the same except they kept the mask on, that would still be a step in the right direction. Normalising the racism, bigotry, corruption and general inhumaneness that fuels the Tory party is absolutely something we should try to avoid.

However, I don't think Labour is like this. I don't think they're perfect, but I think they're much, much better. They're not going to fix everything overnight, but I do think them getting into power would be an important first stepping stone in moving the country and politics towards being a better place in in 10-15 years. They may not be your ideal party but, if you're pragmatic and have any kind of long-term vision, you'll likely vote for them (or the Liib Dems, depending on which constituency you're in) to make sure the Tories are eliminated.

The Overton window is far too far to the right at the moment and Labour getting into power is important for helping to gradually shift it leftwards. People simply aren't going to vote in a "radical" socialist in the current political or economic climate; they want someone they can see as a safe pair of hands who can work on stabilising things somewhat. Right now, that's Starmer - the boring man who's politically central (by current standards) with a fairly clean record and an air of competence. When, in most constituencies, the options are Labour and Tory, you working to put everyone off Labour is just going to benefit the Tories.

Stop letting perfect be the enemy of good.

[–] Nacktmull@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are just too stupid for democracy I´m afraid.

[–] ThePenitentOne@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People don't want to learn or debate anything. They form an opinion and from that point on stop giving a shit. It's no surprise things end up like this. Too many people are seriously close-minded and ignorant about things, yet their opinion is allowed to equally weighted to another who has put serious effort and thought into their decision. The way of thinking at large is just wrong. People are very short-sighted and easily fall for appeals to emotion instead of taking a second to think rationally. Voting Tory is reprehensible.

[–] EdanGrey@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're not.... Don't expect this woman to be in charge at the next election ..

[–] _xDEADBEEF@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Don't underestimate Labour's ability to self-sabotage themselves

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I dunno, don't forget Netanyahu and his judicial reforms. Not even to speak of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

I think UK is, for better or for worse, fairly middle of the pack, and it's the world that is seeing a rising tide of authoritarianism and reactionary positions. Heavily enabled by instantaneous digital communication, which essentially turned each individual authoritarian faction in each individual society into something of a broader, more cooperative front.

Thus giving them the numbers to start getting shit done in certain places where they have an advantage, and pressing to create advantage in places where they don't have it yet.

Most of the folks swept up in it are just along for the ride. A little mistaken idea over here, a little willful ignorance over there, and normal, good people can get convinced they need to take radical actions against, basically, themselves.