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After confirming the presence of highly pathogenic avian flu in a flock of chickens, nearly 48,000 birds were killed at a north Alabama farm, state agriculture officials said.

A Marshall County commercial pullet farm — one that raises chicks from hatching until they are ready to produce eggs when they are moved to a laying barn — was placed under quarantine after samples were confirmed positive for HPAI, the Alabama Department of Agriculture & Industries announced Friday.

HPAI is highly contagious to birds but considered low risk to humans and the virus is not considered a threat to food safety, the department said.

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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Friendly reminder that lab grown meat is 10-20 years away from being affordable and then we don’t have to deal with this shit happening every few months

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Vertical farmed lettuce had an outbreak of ecoli three times in the past year. These people care about profits, not safety.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

And you know where that E. coli comes from, right? It’s when farms put cattle too close to their lettuce (this is shockingly common) and the E. coli goes from the cattle shit and washes down to the irrigation system, which goes to the lettuce. My understanding is this still happens due to how the irrigation/water systems work for hydroponic stuff.

Not sure if you’re agreeing with me or you were trying to point out a flaw, but it’s still all caused by animal ag being shitty.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

EColi lives everywhere. It's in your house. Your bathroom. It's literally in the root vegetables you eat. That's why you boil them. It's impossible to have a truly clean food product is my point.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But the example you cited is due to animals is my point. Which you don’t have in a lab

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your assumption is that animals contaminate. That is not the the case. It's a naturally occurring thing that pretty much lives everywhere. Not exclusive to animals vs plants.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It literally is the case lol. It’s really not hard to google this

[–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

What about carrots, onions, etc?

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 7 points 1 year ago

Not for or against this, but also food processing plants, where stuff like lettuce gets rinsed- those rinsing machines can get e.coli in them, contaminating otherwise clean produce. Even shit like dry cereals can get salmonella in them. When it comes to peeled stuff, you are pretty safe. Hard fruits and vegetables can be washed with soap and water if not cooked. But some stuff can't be washed with soap. That's where you can run into trouble.

I wish there was better food and cleaning standards.

[–] Machinist3359@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

Many folks could reduce meat consumption now as well to mitigate the damages.

Americans have developed a norm of every meal needing meat, when for much of history it was a few times per week.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah....no. not in this case. For one, chicken is way cheaper and quicker to grow than pork or beef, and especially in this particular case, these birds were raised for egg laying. You aren't lab growing anything anytime soon that you can go buy for 97 cents a dozen.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where do you live that a dozen eggs cost less than a dollar?

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Mid missouri. There's egg farms right around here so farm to grocery store is like a 30 minute drive. Got a few 18 packs on sale for 99 cents a piece like a month ago.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Not with the way US farm subsidies exist now, you’re right

[–] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can also go vegan right now. Every person that goes vegan saves hundreds of animals a year.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not really. They just save the bigger/cuter ones. Thousands of mice, voles, moles, birds, rabbits, etc die from plowing up all the fields and machine gathering crops. Farming plants still kills lots of animals. Just not cows pigs and chickens.

[–] Xcf456@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Still a net reduction though, a lot of those crops go to feed cows, pigs and chickens so if you remove that step and just eat the crops far fewer animals get killed

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Sure (maybe. Cows raised mainly on pasture grass might not actually cause that), but the point I'm more trying to make is that it's dumb for a vegan/vegetarian to act like they aren't killing animals so they can eat. One cows life can provide 1000 meals worth of meat. How many small animals died to get 1000 meals worth of salads, because I'm willing to bet it's more than just 1.

[–] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

You still farm crops to feed cows and pigs... You actually farm way less just to feed a human. So either way you're still killing less animals over all. And there are also study's showing the vast majority of field animals run to the edges of the field when the combines come.

[–] deeferg@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too many nut allergies. Unfortunately some of us won't be able to go Vegan with the way the ingredient lists on a lot of Vegan options read.

It would be great.

[–] crazyminner@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

there are tons of options. Im vegan and nut and soy free because my roommate is allergic to nuts and soy among other things.

We eat all kinds of beans and legumes and other sources of protein.