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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I learned a long time ago that any god that does exist doesn't care about our suffering, doesn't love us, and is at best indifferent to us.

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Christian, all loving, all powerful, all knowing God is illogical.

You could have a God that is all loving and all knowing, but powerless to help us.

You could have a God that is all knowing and all powerful, but doesn't love us enough to help us.

You could have a God that is all powerful and all loving, but ignorant of our suffering.

But more likely than that, there is no God at all.

[–] mayonaise_met@feddit.nl 13 points 1 year ago

Apologetics has an answer for all of those questions. Those answers are mostly informal fallacies, but you're not going to convince someone who is already convinced there is a God and just needs some talking points.

[–] ToxicWaste@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If there is a god, i like the theory of the clockmaker god. He made this meticulous clockwork world/universe but now has to be content with just observing.

The theory is much older than computers. But nowadays it is easier explained with a simulation. As long as the simulation has a consistent internal logic, it is impossible to notice that we are in one (we are on the inside). But if external forces start to mess with it, the ppl inside could notice or there will be chain reactions hard to foresee.

[–] Zepfur@mastodon.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@ToxicWaste @13esq this is in line with the "Deist" version of God. the Deism position is the belief that there is a God or Gods, but not of religious man-made lore.

while a deist can have different ideas of how that God or Gods behave, the most common deist belief is of a God who set the universe in motion, but does not influence it further than that.

i do agree that it's a nicer idea of God where worship is not forced, arbitrary rules aren't established, etc.

Voltaite was a well known deist

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Still makes you ask the question for why such a God would create a simulation with so much pain and suffering.

[–] ToxicWaste@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Why do we humans create simulations? Maybe it is a science experiment, a prediction machine or just because we can...

[–] Zepfur@mastodon.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@13esq @ToxicWaste well ya see, God likes to do a little bit of trolling.

[–] Thranduil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

God is a 4chan user

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

And what would be the point of worshipping it?