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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 120 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

Isn't this the problem with every Democratic president? Where the policies proposed have upwards of 70% approval, but once it's mentioned that the person has a scary D next to their name, it immediately drops 30%?

Also, 57% have a negative opinion of Biden, and yet only 58% have a negative opinion of Trump? If that polling is accurate, what an absolutely fucked country we are.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Nah.

This is also actual progressives who didn't believe his platform last time, and have even less trust in him this time.

Like, I have a negative opinion of Biden. I think he's lied a lot to get elected, he went from saying only he could get Republican Senate votes for the Democratic platform, to acting like people were crazy for thinking he could talk Democratic senators into voting for the Dem platform.

I see absolutely no reason we're running him again. We're risking trump again by running an elderly unpopular candidate like we did in 2016.

But he's a hell of a lot better than trump, so I'm pretty much forced to vote for him.

When the only reason people have to vote for someone is so the other guy doesn't win, voter turnout will be down.

Positive reinforcement is always better than potential negative reinforcement.

[–] brambledog 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don't see why the Democrats are running him again? Really?

No democrat can beat him in a primary and the closest person capable is basically a pinko who is treated with more respect by trump voters than typical Democrats.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

basically a pinko who is treated with more respect by trump voters than typical Democrats.

Weird way to say progressive politicians are popular with more than moderates...

I mean, isn't the whole "moderate" thing supposed to be to appeal to republicans?

But it's a bad thing if a progressive can get republicans to vote D?

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But it's a bad thing if a progressive can get republicans to vote D?

Not a bad thing, just nearly impossible. Republican voters have had the last 20-years of Faux "News" equating Democrats to traitors and baby killers. They've tarnished the idea that compromise is required to have a functioning democracy, and their side is always right. Republicans will primary another candidate before they accept or work with Democrats.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not a bad thing, just nearly impossible

So the moderates immediately giving up what voters want and claiming it's because they can compromise...

That's bullshit?

There's no reason for the democratic party to not be as progressive as voters want them to be?

Do you think moderate politicians are too stupid to know that? Or do you think they're lying to voters to get elected?

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

I think our two party system is two sides of the same coin. One is just better at doing the bare minimum to appease the masses. They're both right of center in terms of politics.

I feel like you may have taken my comment the wrong way. I was agreeing with you and adding personal observations of friends and family and their polarization based on the rhetoric spewed by Fox News. There's a reason Democrats don't get primaried by their own party for collaborating with Republicans. The opposite is not the same.

It's really hard to get through to these people after years of hearing, "liberals want to eat your babies," and some such shit. I've tried. The idea that progressives want what they want, but actually govern toward those goals when elected, is what is hard to convey when one side sticks their fingers in their ears and yells, "LA LA LA LA LA, SOCIALIST."

I'm definitely not saying to give up, but moderates are just closeted Republicans that want an "out" whenever the Republican caucus starts shouting fascistic rhetoric. Getting these people out of their echo chambers will take generations if we still have a society by then.

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