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[–] TylerDurdenJunior@lemmy.ml 24 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Then maybe they shouldn't run with a genocide supporting senior citizen as a candidate

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I was more caught on Hillary implying she's less popular than Hitler.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

You're gonna have to be way more specific, that's literally all of them.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Biden was my last choice in the 2020 primary, because I knew that whoever we chose would run for reelection. We were picking the President for the next 8 years, and anti-Trump conservatives out voted younger left wing voters in the primary. Even if Warren did endorse Bernie, Biden still would have won with the other candidates' endorsements. Without the pandemic, Biden might have lost, while Bernie could have pulled enough support from the base to stand a similar chance as Biden. Trump's response to the pandemic pissed off enough conservatives to give Biden the win, but it also could have given every other Democratic candidate, including Bernie, the win.

However, this doesn't mean Bernie wouldn't have drawbacks as president. The mainstream media would certainly pull a Jeremy Corbyn on Bernie. The base and everyone on Lemmy would stand by him, but he would get torn apart by MMM for doing the progressive things Biden has done, and compared to Trump for even politely disagreeing with mainstream Democrats. If was principled and did everything right, he might pull a good amount of MMM watchers to his side, but many would lap up the propaganda.

Every mistake made by Bernie would cost him dearly, while Biden has the luxury of making way more errors because he was the most conservative candidate in the primaries. Left wing Democrats aren't surprised by Biden's lameness, while conservative Democrats put up with every progressive thing Biden does because every other Democrat would have done the same or worse. Most of the MMM doesn't call Biden radical for doing progressive things, and left wing Biden voters are generally pleased that he has been more left wing than expected.

Biden's biggest failures have been where he sucks in ways you didn't expect he would. Fucking around with Manchin for months and doing nothing on immigration are huge failures. He claimed to be a deal maker, yet he tried to negotiate with someone who never intended to budge. Obama's immigration strategy only lost him support, but Biden seems to think that he could avoid motivating the anti immigration crowd. It didn't work for Obama and Hillary against Trump, and it definitely won't work for him against Trump. The most conservative Democrats would still vote for him if he tried his hardest on immigration, as neoliberals actually like immigration for its economic benefits.

In short, Bernie would have an uphill battle against the media, while Biden's mediocrity shouldn't surprise anyone on the left. 2020 was where Democrats could have gotten someone better, and now we unfortunately have to live with it.

[–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Don't forget rapist who fucked over unions and owes me 600 dollars and finished the wall

[–] RichCaffeineFlavor@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

And don't forget about how they used covid as nothing but a football and followed Trump's exact plan for it as soon as they were in charge of telling businesses they had to let sick people stay home. Democrats have more covid deaths on their hands than republicans now.