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Can't tell you how strongly I disagree. It feels like the first people on Lemmy are the most insufferable know-it-all and holier-than-thou types from Reddit. Say anything about Microsoft or Windows? Here's 15 commenters telling you how much better they are for having Linux, and 2 commenters on topic, only to be called inferior by the Linux users. Same for Photoshop, same for social media, same for any paid software.
And everyone who has an opinion must insult anyone who disagrees like it's political Twitter, only by people who think they're smarter cause they were never on Twitter.
Lemmy is so toxic it's delaying its development. People lurk cause there are too many assholes talking over everyone else.
The only thing that's better is there are less of those "um ahcktually", pedant types. If you say "everyone", people mostly understand you don't literally mean "everyone."
You must be a car driving capitalist tankie to be hatting on this place.
jk, I definitely agree. This place is way more radicalized than Reddit, or at least it isn't nearly as diluted by bots so it seems more prominent.. Some dope people around here but I'm definitely losing hope that this place will grow into a cool place.
It's all the same topic posts and the same hateful comments, but you can't even find small active communities to get away from it.
I like risa on startrek.webaite, for one. you can def find cool communities.
Risa has gotten weird lately. I don't find the meme as funny anymore. A lot of them just seem like the 'oh so random' humor that was funny when I was in middle school.
Good to see your input and how many people agree with it. I kinda agree, I am one of those jerks that will pray for open source alternatives, lmao, not so for paid or social media. Still being part of majority, I agree with you. I kinda miss the christian memes from reddit, it used to take the bible and interpret in some way, not as it was written.
As somebody said, lemmy have instances. I don't think we are in the need to make more, but idk about that and it's just an opinion. I think the next step is creating communities that a lot of people miss from reddit but feel they wouldn't be welcomed due to existing communities and the current mindset in Lemmy instances.
Thanks for the comment and saying what a lot of us have been wanting to say.
I think the instance really matters. My ‘all’ feed is full of toxic assholes but my subs are mostly rad folks.
Totally agree. I stopped seeing toxic people when I left Lemmy.World. idk why that is. It's not like Lemmy.world is a terrible place or anything.
Exactly. I don't really like it here
Then why are you here? 🤣
Where else is there to go if you want a mobile friendly link aggregator?
Idk but if they don't like being somewhere, then willfully going to that place is stupid to me.
I left lemmy a few weeks ago for this reason and I come back today to see what's up and it's exactly as you described. We aren't the only ones either
The problem is not a technology one, and creating a copy of the thing you hate isn't going to get different results.
I never expected it to be better than reddit, actually I expected it to make things much worse through increased isolation of mobs. It does.
Only thing an individual can do is be the change they want to see and be nice to people, and resist the urge to "other" everyone they interact with.
That said.. if this is OPs lived experience we should be happy for them. They're having a positive experience that we all want.
Curious, I've seen it all over lemmy. I've got a couple different accounts for... reasons, and on one I tried to make the point that for some demographics, like my parents/grandparents, Windows is the best OS. I was immediately berated for MANY reasons including, being a failure for not educating my family, not caring about my family's safety, personally signing them up for the FasTrack to identity theft and scammers, and that Linux is ACTuaLLY simpler and easier to use.
This is pretty tame compared to the piracy guys as well.
Yeah you're pretty much objectively wrong there. With OSX you could've had a point but Windows is a nightmare if you have to administer a box for family.
...don't tell me your parents and grandparents absolutely have to use 3ds Max.
What's the 3dsmax bit from ?
It's random software that indeed only runs on Windows. There's not even a Mac version.
...but it's also software that people generally don't use privately, and for which FLOSS alternatives exist (Blender), arguably better software and because free also used by hobbyists, and even more insanely powerful commercial software that also runs on Linux (Houdini). Frankly speaking I'm surprised that a DOS 3d software package even made it into currentyear with all that IRIX competition.
I am familiar with it, I was just wondering where you pulled that from ? I didn't see it mentioned in the OP
Some studios depend on it because they have a whole pipeline&talent revolving around it, but hobbyists ? indeed that's weird
The main point is that there's probably no Windows-only software that parents+grandparents absolutely need.
How do you literally, literally run head-first into the point and still miss it?
I didn't miss it. It's rule 386.
Same here — at least all of the communities I’ve interacted with
Same here. Maybe I've found a nice echo chamber to inhabit. Back when I was mostly using Lemmy.World I saw a lot of weirdos, but for some reason migrating to a different instance seems to have solved that problem. Maybe OP just needs to find an instance that works for them.
When I left Lemmy.World I stopped seeing toxic behavior on the regular. I am not sure why this is. I am following all the same communities I was before, so it's not like I left any toxic communities. Even the hexbear people seem mostly civil now. It's like all the crazy people left.
Maybe you just need to find an instance that suits you?
Eh. That's like the repeat of "Reddit is an anti-American circlejerk": No, it isn't. Never was. It was simply the place where many Americans first learned that people who live beyond the brim of their burgers actually exist, and have opinions.
You're on a FLOSS platform. Don't be surprised if fanboying for an aggressively monopolistic multinational with inferior technology, held up by duct tape and bribes to system integrators, doesn't make you friends.
Uhh yeah no. I was on reddit for over a decade and the anti-american circle jerk (that is alive and kicking on lrmmy, btw) became much worse over the last few years.
Lemmy loves to pretend it's culturally superior to reddit, but now we've just concentrated the elitists and political extremists into a smaller pool of users.
No, neither reddit or lemmy are anti-American. Not even unamerican. It's much, much worse: They're non-American. Reddit by I think a small majority, lemmy much more so.
If, then, a random jingoist Seppo comes along and considers themselves and their dysfunctional country god's gift to humanity, well, it's easy to predict how much people will cheer that on.
Add to that another, equally exceptionalist, breed of Seppos, just that those don't think the US is the greatest thing to ever grace humankind, but the worst. That's not anti-American either, they're still exceptionalist and they're still Seppos. Hexbear and lemmygrad are full of them.
Also y'all don't get what taking the piss entails.
I agree with the sentiment that we are on a FLOSS platform, so most people are going to prefer Linux.
But the rest of that comment is silly.
Saying anything about Windows/Max doesn't mean the commenter is fanboying.
Also, are you saying you dont believe social media was manipulated to interfere with American politics?
And the last one really cracks me up about making friends. "Aggressively fanboying" Windows or Mac doesn't make you friends, but fanboying Linux does? You and I are definitely in different areas of CS then ha!
I think "fanboying" in general is the actual issue
I sense a veritable iceberg of a conspiracy theory, there: You think Reddit and lemmy are "anti-american" so as to influence American politics?
Pretty much anyone outside of the US doesn't need an ulterior motive, be given money or whatever to talk shit about the US: You're providing ample of reason and opportunity to do that as is, there's no need to get the Russians or whoever involved. Also they're only stoking flames (on both sides and a couple more), without a base level of idiocy they would have nothing to work with.
Why if not for that would they get a negative reaction to that here, then?
...you're in CS but not a developer or devops? You work at a soul-sucking job writing software for machinery or such that for have to run windows? Like, dunno, ATMs? And you and your colleagues developed Stockholm Syndrome?
I don't have to run windows, or anything. I can run what I want.
But the people who shoehorn Linux into every conversation are also the ones who spend more time finding acceptance online rather than actually being "friends" with people IRL. Tbh, I have you coined for a stereotype I know and I apologize about that. I can't help it. I just know mfers who talk like you are commenting so my bad if I attach opinions to you, I really don't mean to. That's why I'm trying to ask questions.
But you do not believe social media is manipulated then, and is just a conspiracy theory? I never accused any party of being behind the manipulations and I haven't provided any theoretical motivations. Just wondered if you believed social media is an accurate portrayal of the populations opinions.
Also, mfers try to act superior cause they got Linux, that's why they "get a negative reaction". Look how you are reacting to someone just mentioning the idea of mentioning windows ha!
...of the population of the people using it, mostly, yes. Of course, we'll never know what the lurkers think. None of it should be used for statistical analysis but you'll get a reasonable spread of opinions deemed acceptable in a particular place -- for example, on lemmy you'll be hard-pressed to find Nazis or Trumpets as no admin wants to deal with that kind of headache. Tankies, too, can be readily seen to run a manipulative agenda and they're not entirely welcome. Frankly speaking influencing stuff just by posting is rather hard, to have to influence content discovery algorithms (which are dumb as bread in lemmy's case and that's good).
Dude I've been running Linux as my primary desktop since the early 2000s, I'm too old for that shit. Back in the days I was a freshly-baked programmer tinkering around everywhere, by now I largely simply want a system that a) works out of the box in a sensible manner and that b) I can mess with if required. I also have a windows installation for a game or the other and the occasional testing of builds and believe me it certainly doesn't fulfil a) and b), well, I don't know it well enough and the documentation sucks.
The usual context I see Linux mentioned in on lemmy is gaming, or in context of just what at shitshow Windows 11 is regarding ads and whatnot. That's not shoehorning.
Can you give an example of people shoehorning Linux into conversations? Usually the only comment I see is already on Linux, and it's the Arch btw's, which is a meme in itself. Maybe you need to search for subs you like, and subscribe to them, and have subscribed as the default view. All may not be your cup of tea, like all was never my cup of tea on reddit. You're not always going to be in the majority view, and that is fine.