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Right now there is a loneliness epidemic throughout the world. More and more people aren't entering relationships. Gen Z men are having significant trouble dating while there are some economic factors in the mix. From my own view and experiences combined with what I've read most Gen Z men are lack the social and communication skills to even enter a relationship. This has and in the future will lead to extreme issues. There's already been a marked rise in hostility towards women by young men (think Andrew Tate and his ilk) that's likely born out of this frustration. I would definitely say there's been a rise in gender hostility ever since the pandemic.

Back in the 50s there was arranged marriages. All a person had to do was just show but now that's gone because it was an unequal system and I think society missed its chance to establish something much healthier and better in its wake. Now we have people that are unable to connect with each other. We just toss people blindly into the mess that is human interaction and relationships and no one knows what to do anymore. We could be have the most fulfilling relationships humans have ever had. Think of the amount of people who would of never have entered abusive relationships had there been someone around them that showed them what love exactly is.

The way we teach is so heavily focused on teaching people how to be worker drones that we forget the human part of the person. This is why a lot of people who do extreme well in school and college fare so poorly in relationships and have higher rates of depression. We are the most educated and advanced in human history, we know psychology, we can teach this shit rather than tossing people blindly into the meat grinder.

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[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As you are talking a lot about men, I would say we need to talk about toxic masculinity. Which means basically antisocial, competetive, emotion-suppressing, "talk about things instead of feelings" traits.

Which also is a huge thing capitalism feeds. Noone gets admired for having a healthy relationship with their parents or a few very good friends, but for damn shoes or minicomputers with glass, cameras and sensors everywhere, nobody knew they needed a few decades ago.

So capitalism with ads everywhere and consumerism instead of real values is a huge factor.

If you dont have your own TV, you have to share. No own books, you need to go to the library. No own car, you share it with others.

This is so "uncomfortable", while it would make people meet lots of new friends. I always make nice accquaintances in the train.

[–] Someology@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Lucky you, to live where there is a passenger train.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Which also is a huge thing capitalism feeds

And you were off to such a good start, too. If only this didn't predate capitalism by several thousand years :(

It turns out even in a perfectly egalitarian society people will still compete for mates, and where teaching malea how to compete for mates gets filtered through idiocy, you end up with toxic masculinity.

Hell, if you're being totally reductionist (and if you get to be, everyone gets to be), then you're likely to experience more support for toxic traits in both men and women in an egalitarian society, because social differentiation becomes even more important.

[–] Pinklink@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are not being reductionist, not to the degree you are claiming. It’s true it’s more complicated than “capitalism bad!” but you are talking on the other extreme of the spectrum and you are also wrong. Capitalism absolutely encourages and instills messages of “having things and showing disposable income means you are higher class”.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Capitalism absolutely encourages and instills messages of “having things and showing disposable income means you are higher class”

This is not by any means unique to capitalism.

There will always be markers of social standing, even in a completely post-scarcity Trek-communist utopia.

Blaming an aspect of human nature on an economic system is silly.

[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Capitalism needs companies to grow. But there is no need for any products most produce. So they use ads and all other toxic methods, abusing the antisocial group dynamics etc. with being bullied for damn shoes... just to sell products.

Capitalism bad.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But there is no need for any products most produce

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously lol