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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thats a lot of shoulds when it needs to read shall

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

there's also zero enforcement on the code.

"Yea. We should not be assholes, but we're still gonna be assholes. whatchya gonna do?"

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We need checks and balances, but sometimes it feels like the entire machine has never been maintained. What do you do with corruption this widespread?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I have no good answers,

Though the French solution seems… effective?

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Ah, doth the Usurper's bossom ring true? Or wilst thou wish his hand stayed?

[–] Zorque@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Does it? They almost elected a nazi wannabe... twice. In the last two elections. They still have to protest to get their rights protected. Their first revolution literally led to Napoleon.

People always talk about how "successful" the French are at protecting their democracy... but it seems mostly performative, not effective.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I was referring to guillotines, as used during the French revolutionary period.

It’s still a bad solution… but rapidly becoming one of the few. The powers that are, have increasingly made it difficult for common Americans to have a say; while making it too easy for the oligarchs

[–] Zorque@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right... and it didn't work. Acting like it's some how a viable solution when it didn't lead to anything but more dictators seems like a weird leap of logic.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Actually they kept a lot of benefits given during the Revolution, even during Napoleon. Nobles become taxable, the third estate (the common people) got a political voice, clergy lost a lot of power, military positions became more awarded by merit than nepotism, wealth, or nobility, laws were equalized and started applying more to everyone, the press became more free, spending became focused on the public, and more. There was a reason Beethoven was writing a song for him, up until he crowned himself Emperor. Until then, he was a representative of a mostly beneficial revolution. And yes, that crowning and obsession with war was an unfortunate move, but a lot of the changes stuck for awhile even after those bag parts lol. Even when the monarchy returned after Napoleon, they were scared of rolling back too much of the people's gains for fear of starting another revolution.

Point is, they had an emperor and then some kings again, but comparing life before and after for the average French man, after was a marked improvement. The Revolution did work, to a point. I think the lesson more is that with every progressive gains, there will always be a conservative reaction people need to be aware of. The old power structure will always try to regain what they had before. It's not too give up and ask for scraps from the people in power.