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Recently bought a new diesel silverado 3500 for my ranch. It's enormous, I'm glad I didn't get the dually option as it's hard enough to drive in the city. Most of its job however is pulling trailers around.
That said, on highway if I drive the speed limit and take it easy I can get 9L/100km. It's unreal that such a huge truck will get almost the same economy as our KIA SUV.
I didn't think that sounded right so I looked it up; Chevrolet themselves say it's between 11 and 12 litres/100km
I don't know what Kia you have, but their diesel Sorento SUV averages 6-7 litres/100km, nearly half what your tiny-penis truck uses
Funny also that people pull trailers in every country in the world using much smaller trucks without a problem
You don't need that truck, same way as nobody else on the planet, no matter what their profession, needs it
Please stop this bullshit. There are most certainly reasons to own a truck that can haul big things. Including in Europe. It's just that 90% of the trucks you see in a Costco parking lot don't need to be that way.
I do occasionally see tiny-penis trucks here in Europe. Do you know what I've never, ever seen though? A dirty one. One used for work, rather than just showing off.
If you had to haul something heavy on a trailer, what would you use? A fuel-guzzling, heavy, unreliable shiny trinket, or a Toyota Hilux?
99% of workers with stuff to move use a van. Farmers use pickups like L200s. Accountants drive tiny-penis trucks for the tax break
Explain to me again why American contractors are the only contractors on the entire planet that need giant trucks?
What do those farmers use to move livestock around? Because you're generally looking at a 10,000lbs trailer for that, which is F450 territory.
What you really want to go after is the lower end the truck market. Circa 2002, the Ford Ranger had a curb weight around 3,300 lbs (exact number depending on the trim) and looked like this. The current one is around 4,200 lbs and looks like this. Small trucks have disappeared entirely in the US market, and there's no good reason for it.
But when you start hitting the Ford Superduty market (F250 on up), you're looking at people who actually use their trucks for the most part. They are big because they haul a lot of stuff and they have to be.
Still waiting for you to explain why American contractors/farmers are the only people on the planet who require these vehicles when everyone else manages with vastly smaller vehicles
Also, do you have to use tweezers to pee?
I don't own one of these tucks, so you can quit with the small dick comments.
I've explained, and you refuse to listen. What do you use to haul multiple livestock animals around?
I run 1000 cows on a 60,000 acre ranch in southern Alberta. It's too rough to run a semi truck and trailer around on but I can haul a tri-axle Wilson gooseneck stock trailer with 20,000 lbs of cattle across it when I need to. There's no roads through the ranch other than dirt trails so it takes a long time to travel through it and the fewer trips I have to make the better. Generally I'm moving cattle on horseback but occasionally I have to move old/sick/injured cows from a to b. Simply put, your European farms are miniscule and you don't need the same capabilities that we do. The world is not uniform.
Van
Fifth wheel. If you don't know what that is, you should probably avoid having a strong opinion on this.
Niche of a niche. Never seen one in my entire life, lived in 4 countries.
What do you expect to use for hauling livestock? These can have a tow weight of 10,000 lbs, which is much more than you can do with a regular hitch. The fact that you've never personally seen this does not mean anything.
I've seen a million of these.
https://indespension.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/77eef5ac2f1d972e1ca198c5741eab71/l/v/lv35126dgx_1_1.jpg
I've seen a hundred F150 hauling jack shit.
I've seen a million of these.
https://indespension.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/77eef5ac2f1d972e1ca198c5741eab71/l/v/lv35126dgx_1_1.jpg
I've seen a hundred F150 hauling jack shit.
That can haul a livestock. How about 12? Or would you like them to make more trips (with proportional use of gas and risk of accident)?
As for F150s hauling nothing, that's kinda my point. There's a market above it that actually does work (F250 and up), and there's a market that ought to exist underneath it (what used to be the Ranger, which is now much larger). You're targeting the wrong group by focusing on trucks that haul 10,000 lbs.
Wait, how often do you need to haul stock with your F250? If every day, then it's more optimal to by having a dedicated livestock truck, Like Volvo FL.
If you're only moving livestock occasionally, but driving F250 daily, you're compensating for your tiny weiner and shitting in the air that everyone breathes
Farmers haul big, heavy things around all the time. If this is news to you, then again, maybe you should step back and stop having strong opinions on things you don't know anything about.
Van. The stupid huge compensator truck nonsense is a US-only thing. Rest of the world is getting by fine with efficient vehicles.
Just because that's your experience doesn't mean it's true.
Edit: How do you do this with a van?
What do you mean 'my experience'? These idiotic 'trucks' don't exist outside America.
Ah yes, the daily drive to the shop with my two tractors. So you either drive that without two tractors 99% of the time or you're driving the wrong vehicle. If you need to haul two tractors you do it properly - you hire a specialist with a specialist equipment. What is pictured in your picture is reckless and idiotic.
Do you have any idea how big American farms are? You can go miles and be on the same farm. That's why American farmers have their own equipment for that.
Why do you think vans are any better? A lot of them are made on exactly the same platforms as the trucks you're deriding, and have similar gas mileage. A Ford E350 is basically an F350.
What do you think those "specialty operators" would use?
You have no idea what you're talking about.
God, you're so deep up your own ass that you think the world = the US. Quite typical, didn't know what I was expecting.
I have nothing against farmers doing whatever they wish within their own territory, with whatever vehicles they wish.
If I see a "truck" like that outside of this very niche scenario, I immediately think "macho moron" or "US tourist". Usually both.
Same right back. If American farms are bigger, they just might have a few differences in how they operate.
You've successfully moved the goalposts from:
"People need these cars!! They're not tiny penis enlargers!"
To: "People in US, no, Farmers in US, no, Farmers in US that own incredibly large farms need these cars!! How are they going haul two tractors at once within their own farm!"
Yeah, they're very useful indeed...
Clarification is not goalpost moving. You're just as clueless about logical fallacies.
Yeah, you've definitely clarified that it's a pointless vehicle.
Thanks for the support. Some people think the world is uniform and don't understand anything outside of their world view.
All good. I don't recommend going too deep on this thread. Probably raise your blood pressure beyond acceptable limits.
Interesting rabbit hole.
Looks like in Europe you can't tow that much with a car. Anything over 3500kg (7700lb) you need a proper truck and a trucker's (C) license.
A Silverado 3500 at 7000lb is really close to needing a truck drivers license, even without a trailer.