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Sounds like an America problem, regardless of party
I think the problem is the society-wide mindset of Might Makes Right coupled with National Exceptionalism, and that's hardly a problem in only the US.
And your answer is an america-wide mindset of "well, we aren't that bad. Others did it too" when they didn't on such a huge scale
I don't know that that's the right lesson to take away. Our history, hell our current actions, aren't the best. It's incredibly disappointing to learn about how much fucked up shit we've had domestically or caused internationally. Especially things that were against our professed values.
But this shouldn't be viewed as something Americans are uniquely capable of. It's the same thing as branding all the nazis as inhuman monsters -- its important to recognize that they were ordinary humans, so that we remain acutely aware of what humanity is capable of. At any given time.
There's plenty of ongoing genocides throughout the world that aren't being perpetrated by the US. History is filled with horrible crimes by other countries, some who were adversaries to the US. It's entirely likely that any successor the US will repeat many of the same mistakes. You can see this already in action with China in the South China Sea, claiming international waters as their own to the detriment of fishermen in neighboring countries.
I think at the end of the day, here's the distinction to keep in mind -- the US has caused bad things to happen on an unparalleled scale, but the only thing unique about the US is the resources they have to do it. Any other country in the same position could and has done the same and worse.
Not buying it. Two things can be equally awful.
No that's my exact point. Most places would be equally awful given the same resources and capabilities. That doesn't mean we can't criticize the US for scale, but we should be wary that it's only the availability of resources causing that scale, nothing else.
Not all countries would genocide more than 99% of the land's unhabitants
Never think "that could never happen here"
Is that take not the same as you thinking your nation or some other nation is superior or an exception to the lesser human condition?
When the exception is basically just the USA I doubt there's really any "superior countries", just not that bad ones
Really? You cannot think of a single other nation than the USA with a long history of war, colonialism, and genocide? Nothing comes to mind?
Again, not on USA's scale
It's very clearly skewed heavily towards Conservatives.
The conservatives that both parties really are
There might be assholes on both sides but some assholes erected Confederate General Statues and the other assholes passed the civil rights act in the same year, so think what you want but the divide is clear.
You really shouldn't talk about the civil wars to say the democrats are superior
Lmao, you're the only person to ever use the word Democrat in this whole thread. I said Conservatives were bad, and before and even during most of the 1960s that included the Democrats.